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Old 11-28-2008, 10:22 AM   #1
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Ok more and more people everywhere are saying that you should research breeds and get to know lines and find a good breeder etc before getting a puppy as otherwise you might learn a harsh lesson, but although this is true it also makes me feel really irresponsible for getting Punch, where I did research the breed and stuff and knew that what he got was one of the neurological problems that Bullies could get and I should of known that there was a chance of him having some sort of problem, even if it was just behavioural when I got a gorgeous boy for free, but loads of people go to reptuable breeders and get stung by something, so do people think that it is fair to say this for the people that do research? How many breeders that have bred for years have had a dog come up with a genetic problem, has anyone who has been into a breed for years on here had any problems with their dogs? I just want to know as even people who do know what can happen risk it happening for the love of that breed and wanting that dog, do you think that it makes them irresponsible I just want to know?

This isn't a post about ped dogs and their health as I know that anydog can get problems, and I will get another EBT one day, and allready have a breeder that I would like to get one from lined up, and if I do manage to get a dog from their kennels, I would rather get a dog of any colour from their and last in the litter then going somewhere and getting pick of the litter from another breeder as I like their ethics. Or I would get a rescue, but one over a year, probaly at least 3 years old.

Over and over again the thought of what has happened to Punch and what he did to Honey has gone over and over in my mind, and I feel irresponsible for bringing him into the house after we found out that he had rage, and I will never forgive myself for the fact that he had rage and that he had to go like that, but I will never blame Punch for what has happened, but there has to be other people like me who has got a dog and then lost it to something like this, and when comments about the research of a breed come up for people who have done the research I find it incredible cruel as you can never tell unless the person admits to not doing any research if they have done it or not, what do other people feel like regarding this.
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Ok more and more people everywhere are saying that you should research breeds and get to know lines and find a good breeder etc before getting a puppy as otherwise you might learn a harsh lesson, but although this is true it also makes me feel really irresponsible for getting Punch, where I did research the breed and stuff and knew that what he got was one of the neurological problems that Bullies could get and I should of known that there was a chance of him having some sort of problem, even if it was just behavioural when I got a gorgeous boy for free, but loads of people go to reptuable breeders and get stung by something, so do people think that it is fair to say this for the people that do research? How many breeders that have bred for years have had a dog come up with a genetic problem, has anyone who has been into a breed for years on here had any problems with their dogs? I just want to know as even people who do know what can happen risk it happening for the love of that breed and wanting that dog, do you think that it makes them irresponsible I just want to know?

This isn't a post about ped dogs and their health as I know that anydog can get problems, and I will get another EBT one day, and allready have a breeder that I would like to get one from lined up, and if I do manage to get a dog from their kennels, I would rather get a dog of any colour from their and last in the litter then going somewhere and getting pick of the litter from another breeder as I like their ethics. Or I would get a rescue, but one over a year, probaly at least 3 years old.

Over and over again the thought of what has happened to Punch and what he did to Honey has gone over and over in my mind, and I feel irresponsible for bringing him into the house after we found out that he had rage, and I will never forgive myself for the fact that he had rage and that he had to go like that, but I will never blame Punch for what has happened, but there has to be other people like me who has got a dog and then lost it to something like this, and when comments about the research of a breed come up for people who have done the research I find it incredible cruel as you can never tell unless the person admits to not doing any research if they have done it or not, what do other people feel like regarding this.
I don't think that you should feel guilty at all. Live and learn is all you can do.... the question would be more, if you knew then what you know now would you have made the same decision and knowing what you now know would you make a different decision in the future.

Genetic problems are genetic problems and breeding is a crapshoot at best. All we can do is hedge our bets and try to increase our odds of having health puppies by doing our best research into lines and pedigrees before we breed a litter. Does this mean that we will never have a problem crop up? of course not.... But when you do your research and you are a reputable breeder you stand behind that puppy, you help out your puppy person and put that situation into the back of your head so you can watch for it in the future.



I have a pup from a reputable breeder who has epilepsy... is there epilepsy in the lines, no ... but it happens. The breeder of my boy has become a good friend and we laugh about my Cuinn's drugged state, and we cry together when he has issues.

The point is that it happens.... but a reputable breeder will be there to support you and help you and you do increase your odds of having a healthy pup....

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Thanks for that Shalva, it just seems that even more recently all over the internet and with people that you meet that the pressure about ped dogs has got to people and more know then ever people think that it is bad and either yours all the breeders fault that a problem occurs with a dog, Punch was a bully boy that I got given to me when he was just shy of his 1st birthday, he was pts before he even got there because we found out that he had rage, so it was seen as the best course of action, as my family couldn't keep a bull terrier with rage as there was young kids and other dogs about, and someone who fosters bullies and us decided that we didn't think that anybody else will want him, well not for the right reasons any way. I had wanted a bully for ages though, and knew that they can get that problem but it is not very common for them to get it, but he did bless him.
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i had a litter that contained 2 pups with acondraplasia. ...3 were fine.
, NOT my breeding may i add , was from a bitch that i bought in, oh and the mating was a total OUTCROSS!!!!!!!!!!!! what was heartbreaking is this condition only rears its ugly head in pups aged between 8 and 12 weeks
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That is horrible Lassie, that really must of been heartbreaking for puppies so young to get ill.
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heartbreaking as they had been sold looking perfectly normal at 8 weeks.. My friend has the boy and hes still alive today aged 11 and a half.
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Aww bless, is he still smaller then the average dog?
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no...................... he's a lovely specimen of the breed actually. such a shame . He has bowed front legs, meaning he's lower in the front part of his body.
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Poor doggy, its a shame about his front legs though, do you think that if it wasn't for his front legs he would be show quality then? Do the bowed legs affect him much apart from his front half being lower?
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he was pick of litter C and a tri colour to boot. as he's aged he is restricted on excercise apart from that nope he leads a normal lfe .
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