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Pushi5236 · 11-25-2008, 07:10 PM

Allergies are not an issue for me, I just like Poodles because of their temperament and build. I would also like to just say, WOW Poodles look good! Their builds are amazing. I like how tall they are compared to their length and their proud gait.

Since I've been interested in Goldendoodles, I have found a website which shows owner recommended "breeders" in the country. It also shows the tests that they run on their dogs. I'm not sure if this makes them reputable or less tricky, haha, so let me know what you think.

I've also been reading some threads on this website and a lot of you seem to think that temperament has to do with the owner and his/her training of the dog, not the actual dog. How does that relate to Goldendoodles?

Some others have mentioned how they find a lot of doodles in shelters, and I was looking at petfinder last night (actually looking for poodle rescues) and saw a lot (and I mean, LOTS) of labradoodles, but only one goldendoodle within a very large region of the USA. Does this mean anything?

I don't know, I'm still on the fence! Of course I am leaning toward a Poodle now, but if dogs only act a certain way based on their training, I don't see why a Goldendoodle would hurt.

agilityk9trainer · 11-25-2008, 11:09 PM

I would be one to disagree that dogs act a certian way based on training. Now, let me explain further what I mean.

If a dog is a herding dog and comes from working lines, the chances are extremely strong (well into the 90 percent or higher range) that this dog will display herding behaviors. These may include heel biting (people's heels), herding children, circling owners obsessively, intense behaviors that can turn aggressive if not dealt with, etc. Could you train these away? Yes, with extremely, extremely harsh training - ie abusive training. These behaviors are hard wired into these dogs. They are a part of them just as their hair color is a part of them.

Training can change some things - but not all things. If a dog is energetic, then training isn't going to change that. It will only help you get control within the energy - again, unless you use extremely harsh methods to eventually shut the dog down.

If a dog is sweet natured and loving naturally, you can ruin that as well with abusive handling.

When I look for a dog, I look for the breed whose personality will fit my own. I then look for a responsible breeder of this breed. Then the breeder puppy tests the dogs at seven weeks and picks a dog that genetics look like will meet what I'm looking for.

After that, it's up to me to shape what genetics have given me. I cannot change the genes - I can only shape what is there.

The belief among many people is that a well trained dog (ie. a dog trained to a performance Championship) is 30 to 40 percent genetics and 60 to 70 percent nuture. But, if you get a dog whose genes are poor, you just can't overcome that deficit. In other words, let's say I got a dog that was genetically fearful. This dog stresses horribly and is a scardy-cat - all from genes as the behavior was there since the pup was seven weeks old. Will this dog ever be bold enough to become a great agility dog? The chances are strongly against it. You can only overcome so much genetic behavior problems with training.

The best thing is to get a good breeder, tell him/her what you're looking for, get a breeder that knows how to puppy test the litter (Volhard test - google it) and then it's your job to give that dog socialization and training to help those good genes along.

To prove that genes are important - just look at the different personalities in the different breeds. Corgis have different personalities from shelties who have a different personality than Goldens who are different that Japanese Chins, etc. The difference? Genes.

white cat lover · 11-26-2008, 01:23 AM

Most people see a "doodle" & label it a Labradoodle. Me, can't tell the difference between a Labra or a Golden Doodle. Like this girl who came into the shelter tonight - can't tell if Golden Doodle or Labradoodle. Not the best pic, but she wanted to sit in everyone's laps. lol

See? Lap doodle!!

Borzoi mad · 11-26-2008, 05:47 AM

I would either go for the Poodle or the Golden Retrievermbut def not for the mix of the two, as has been previously mentioned you just don't know what you are getting with a crossbreed.

For appartment living and as you are at college I think the Poodle would be best as you will have no messy hair to clean up, though it will cost you money to have it clipped regularly unless you can do this yourself.

Shalva · 11-27-2008, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by agilityk9trainer

I would be one to disagree that dogs act a certian way based on training. Now, let me explain further what I mean.

If a dog is a herding dog and comes from working lines, the chances are extremely strong (well into the 90 percent or higher range) that this dog will display herding behaviors. These may include heel biting (people's heels), herding children, circling owners obsessively, intense behaviors that can turn aggressive if not dealt with, etc. Could you train these away? Yes, with extremely, extremely harsh training - ie abusive training. These behaviors are hard wired into these dogs. They are a part of them just as their hair color is a part of them.

Training can change some things - but not all things. If a dog is energetic, then training isn't going to change that. It will only help you get control within the energy - again, unless you use extremely harsh methods to eventually shut the dog down.

If a dog is sweet natured and loving naturally, you can ruin that as well with abusive handling.

When I look for a dog, I look for the breed whose personality will fit my own. I then look for a responsible breeder of this breed. Then the breeder puppy tests the dogs at seven weeks and picks a dog that genetics look like will meet what I'm looking for.

After that, it's up to me to shape what genetics have given me. I cannot change the genes - I can only shape what is there.

The belief among many people is that a well trained dog (ie. a dog trained to a performance Championship) is 30 to 40 percent genetics and 60 to 70 percent nuture. But, if you get a dog whose genes are poor, you just can't overcome that deficit. In other words, let's say I got a dog that was genetically fearful. This dog stresses horribly and is a scardy-cat - all from genes as the behavior was there since the pup was seven weeks old. Will this dog ever be bold enough to become a great agility dog? The chances are strongly against it. You can only overcome so much genetic behavior problems with training.

The best thing is to get a good breeder, tell him/her what you're looking for, get a breeder that knows how to puppy test the litter (Volhard test - google it) and then it's your job to give that dog socialization and training to help those good genes along.

To prove that genes are important - just look at the different personalities in the different breeds. Corgis have different personalities from shelties who have a different personality than Goldens who are different that Japanese Chins, etc. The difference? Genes.

I totally agree with this, every word and sentence.... excellent post.

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cicidoodle · 02-16-2013, 06:17 PM

DeeLind7 · 02-17-2013, 12:24 PM

cicidoodle, welcome to the Forum! This is an old thread. Why not introduce yourself and your dog/s? And we just happen to love pictures here.

11-25-2008, 07:10 PM	#21
Pushi5236 Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 38 Rep: 10 Unique Rep: 0	Allergies are not an issue for me, I just like Poodles because of their temperament and build. I would also like to just say, WOW Poodles look good! Their builds are amazing. I like how tall they are compared to their length and their proud gait. Since I've been interested in Goldendoodles, I have found a website which shows owner recommended "breeders" in the country. It also shows the tests that they run on their dogs. I'm not sure if this makes them reputable or less tricky, haha, so let me know what you think. I've also been reading some threads on this website and a lot of you seem to think that temperament has to do with the owner and his/her training of the dog, not the actual dog. How does that relate to Goldendoodles? Some others have mentioned how they find a lot of doodles in shelters, and I was looking at petfinder last night (actually looking for poodle rescues) and saw a lot (and I mean, LOTS) of labradoodles, but only one goldendoodle within a very large region of the USA. Does this mean anything? I don't know, I'm still on the fence! Of course I am leaning toward a Poodle now, but if dogs only act a certain way based on their training, I don't see why a Goldendoodle would hurt. __________________ There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face. ~Ben Williams

11-25-2008, 11:09 PM	#22
agilityk9trainer Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,104 Blog Entries: 29 Rep: 217 Unique Rep: 59	I would be one to disagree that dogs act a certian way based on training. Now, let me explain further what I mean. If a dog is a herding dog and comes from working lines, the chances are extremely strong (well into the 90 percent or higher range) that this dog will display herding behaviors. These may include heel biting (people's heels), herding children, circling owners obsessively, intense behaviors that can turn aggressive if not dealt with, etc. Could you train these away? Yes, with extremely, extremely harsh training - ie abusive training. These behaviors are hard wired into these dogs. They are a part of them just as their hair color is a part of them. Training can change some things - but not all things. If a dog is energetic, then training isn't going to change that. It will only help you get control within the energy - again, unless you use extremely harsh methods to eventually shut the dog down. If a dog is sweet natured and loving naturally, you can ruin that as well with abusive handling. When I look for a dog, I look for the breed whose personality will fit my own. I then look for a responsible breeder of this breed. Then the breeder puppy tests the dogs at seven weeks and picks a dog that genetics look like will meet what I'm looking for. After that, it's up to me to shape what genetics have given me. I cannot change the genes - I can only shape what is there. The belief among many people is that a well trained dog (ie. a dog trained to a performance Championship) is 30 to 40 percent genetics and 60 to 70 percent nuture. But, if you get a dog whose genes are poor, you just can't overcome that deficit. In other words, let's say I got a dog that was genetically fearful. This dog stresses horribly and is a scardy-cat - all from genes as the behavior was there since the pup was seven weeks old. Will this dog ever be bold enough to become a great agility dog? The chances are strongly against it. You can only overcome so much genetic behavior problems with training. The best thing is to get a good breeder, tell him/her what you're looking for, get a breeder that knows how to puppy test the litter (Volhard test - google it) and then it's your job to give that dog socialization and training to help those good genes along. To prove that genes are important - just look at the different personalities in the different breeds. Corgis have different personalities from shelties who have a different personality than Goldens who are different that Japanese Chins, etc. The difference? Genes. __________________ MACH4 PACH Aslan MXF, TQX, MXB2, MJS2, MXP2, MJP3, XFP, T2BP, MXPB, MJPS, PAX, RAE, EAC, EJC, OCC, WV-O, TN-N, CD, TG-N, RS-N, JS-N, R2-CL, CGC, TDI, FFX-AG (11 year old sheltie) Jericho CDX, RAE, NAP, NJP, OA, NAJ, CD, OJS, NAS, R1-MCL, CGC, FFX-AP (9 year old hard of hearing sheltie) Asher MX, MXJ, MXF, MXB, T2B, RN, CGC (5 year sheltie) Laika NAJ, CGC (American Eskimo 1997 - 2012)

11-26-2008, 01:23 AM	#23
white cat lover Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 933 Rep: 23 Unique Rep: 4	Most people see a "doodle" & label it a Labradoodle. Me, can't tell the difference between a Labra or a Golden Doodle. Like this girl who came into the shelter tonight - can't tell if Golden Doodle or Labradoodle. Not the best pic, but she wanted to sit in everyone's laps. lol See? Lap doodle!! __________________ Natalie I'm chillin' with the forum!

11-26-2008, 05:47 AM	#24
Borzoi mad Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 7,596 Rep: 126 Unique Rep: 51	I would either go for the Poodle or the Golden Retrievermbut def not for the mix of the two, as has been previously mentioned you just don't know what you are getting with a crossbreed. For appartment living and as you are at college I think the Poodle would be best as you will have no messy hair to clean up, though it will cost you money to have it clipped regularly unless you can do this yourself. __________________ My dogs are my Life Ive got the do you. Thanks Sheplovr The picture is of My Two Borzois Pellow and Rye I also had a Golden Oldie named Ludmilla who went to the Bridge on 14.03.07 and my special wee man Brodie who sadly went to the bridge on 22 August 2008 All loved and missed as are all the others who have gone before I still have little Faun my dachshund and last but by no means least Keri the Birman Cat. Borzois are like chocolates one is never enough

02-16-2013, 06:17 PM	#26
cicidoodle Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 1 Rep: 10 Unique Rep: 0	Golden Doodle !!

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DeeLind7 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Delaware, USA Posts: 6,933 Rep: 54 Unique Rep: 27	cicidoodle, welcome to the Forum! This is an old thread. Why not introduce yourself and your dog/s? And we just happen to love pictures here. __________________

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