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Old 06-12-2008, 12:40 PM   #1
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Please can you advise, would it be wrong to breed a bitch with a dog that is it's father. The reason I ask is we want to get another dog like our Millie and I have heard of someone doing this with the same breed as her but it doesn't sound like the right thing to do, I don't know much about breeding but I did think they had to be further removed than that! Am I right?
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The first thing to ask is what is it about Millie that makes you want one just like her? Is it her looks, her temperament, or something else?
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Old 06-12-2008, 01:11 PM   #3
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Hi

Well all of the above, she has a lovely temperemant, her size is just right for us and we love her look. she is a Patterdale crossed with a Jack Russel but has definitely got more Patterdale in her.
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The other thing I didn't say was Millie has been spayed so no chance of her having pups. I think the best thing to do would be to go to a Patterdale breeder rather than take the chance, I wasn't sure if it depended on the breed as to what relation they can be bred with. Someone told me that it is better to skip a generation, Millie has got a sister that lives up North who hasn't been spayed but I need to know who she will be mated with, hence my question above.
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Well I have no experience with breeding, but my understanding is that breeding parent to offspring is never a good idea. Aside from that, if you are breeding mixes then you are rolling the genetic dice as fasr as what you are going to get. If you breed two purebreds of the same breed togther, they breed "true" which means you can predict pretty much what you are going to get. If you breed two different purebreds, the more different they are, the less likely you can predict what the offspring will look like.
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Skunk is right. You won't get Millie. If Millie is a mix, she's a one of a kind.

Also, remember the number of dogs in sheltiers who are dying every day. Every backyard breeder who breeds adds to the number of dogs in the world. There are just so many homes. So the dogs in the shelter get killed because backyard breeder puppies take up homes. And, because backyard breeders don't have contracts saying they will take the dog back and rehome it if something happens to their owners, many of those dogs wind up in the shelter.

So, you won't get your dog because genetics with mixes don't work that way. Shoot, genetics with purebreds don't work that way! And endorsing a backyard breeding will only kill dogs in the shelter. Sorry to be so harsh, but it is reality.
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I agree with the above. Leave the breeding up to the experts. Let Millie be one of a kind. That's what makes her special. There are a lot of unique and wonderful dogs out there looking for homes.
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When breeding purebred dogs, if you want a dog similiar to what you have; you would get a puppy from the same parents. Or at least one of the same parents.

There are also many well established purebred lines that breed true so that even distant cousins will have similar characteristics. Even though good breeding is of primary importance; the way the puppies are raised will have a large influence too.

Breeding father to daughter in this case could be a complete disaster since there's no way of telling what traits came from which dog. There's also a possibility of doubling up on unwanted genes and creating pups with serious health problems and even deformities.

Your best bet would be to find a reputable breeder with a record of producing consistency in their pups.

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The other thing I didn't say was Millie has been spayed so no chance of her having pups. I think the best thing to do would be to go to a Patterdale breeder rather than take the chance, I wasn't sure if it depended on the breed as to what relation they can be bred with. Someone told me that it is better to skip a generation, Millie has got a sister that lives up North who hasn't been spayed but I need to know who she will be mated with, hence my question above.
Breeding father to daughter being a success or failure depends on the bloodlines, individuals and yes at times even breeds. Certain breeds seem to suffer from whats called inbreeding depression and certain anomalies for whatever reason. Other breeds can be very tightly bred without these problems, the only risk are the genetic defects that they could carry. If they don't carry those then you can strong, healthy pups and continue to lock in the traits of that bloodline.

With the case in question I think it would be a crap shoot with the mix breeding and the fact it sounds like little is known. You are doubling up on the sires traits and his lineage could be a big influence on the pups. Not necessarily how Millie is. Do you know which breed and parent she even got her traits from?

I have had dogs from father/daughter and from other inbreedings and still do. Some have been the best dogs I've had. Others did not work out for me. Some of them their sire or dam may be from an inbreeding. It takes a lot of research and study into your dogs pedigree, the specific breed and bloodlines to be able to breed properly and to produce what you want. I'd really advise against doing breeding without this. You could produce something totally different then what you expect and you could also breed in health problems.
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Thank you all so much for your input and advice, as I said before I know very little about breeding and as you quite rightly pointed out Millie is one of a kind and is a very much loved little dog. We are going to go to a reputable breeder for another dog. I didn't think breeding in such a way could be the right thing to do but thought if I asked some of you would be able to advise.

Just to point out I would not at all advocate back street breeding and I completely agree with you "agilityK9trainer" this is someone who has got Millie's sister who is having pups by the dad, I was offered to have one when they are born for free however I thought all be it with my limited experience of breeding that this did not sound right, hence my reason for asking the question. We are lucky to have a very healthy special little dog in Millie and I would like to invest in another dog who is just as healthy, so thank you all so much for your words of advice and I can assure you I have taken that advice on board. Watch this space for news of the new addition to our family.
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