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Old 12-09-2007, 10:38 PM   #1
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For all the breeders who obtained a license to breed and sell. For all the breeders who are recognized by a breed club. For all the breeders who only do it as a small hobby not for business/money. For all the breeders who breed to better the breed. For all the breeders that follow AKC standards. For all the breeders who took the time to find wonderful homes for their little ones. For all the breeders who only whelp a female twice maximum. For all the REPUTABLE BREEDERS! What does a reputable breeder mean to you?
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Old 12-09-2007, 11:42 PM   #2
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For all the breeders who obtained a license to breed and sell. For all the breeders who are recognized by a breed club. For all the breeders who only do it as a small hobby not for business/money. For all the breeders who breed to better the breed. For all the breeders that follow AKC standards. For all the breeders who took the time to find wonderful homes for their little ones. For all the breeders who only whelp a female twice maximum. For all the REPUTABLE BREEDERS! What does a reputable breeder mean to you?
Sorry you lost me on the first one if you're referring to a business license. If not perhaps you could clarify what type of license you're referring to.

It's rare that a hobby breeder needs a business license to breed and sell. Unless they're a commercial operation producing a large number of litters per year. That would not constitute an ethical breeder IMO.

In some areas there are requirements for a kennel license if the individual has more than the allotted number of dogs on the premises or if the owner choses to avoid individual dog licensing fees by purchasing a kennel license. But none of these constitute a breeding or sales license that I'm aware of.

If someone asked my advice and told me the breeder they're looking into advertises themselves as a licensed breeder I'd suggest they run as fast as they can.

As far as being recognized by a breed club, I'd rather see them active in that breed club. Breed club members are great at recognizing all breeders, the bad and the good. The bad breeders can pay their dues and claim membership, but it doesn't guarantee a thing!

An ethical breeder who's breeding to improve the breed will sometimes breed a great producing bitch more than twice. As long as it's done for the right reasons and the bitch is well taken care of, that isn't necessarily a sign of a bad breeder.

A reputable breeder will have many mentors, and have considerable experience with the breed before atempting any breeding.

An ethical breeder will breed for a purpose and not just to sell puppies!

That's part of my opinion on reputable breeders!
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Old 12-09-2007, 11:55 PM   #3
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True! For Poms I want active AKC members.

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True! For Poms I want active AKC members.
To be an considered an "active" AKC member one would have to be involved in a local breed club, all breed or performance club.
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I have a kennel license through Pa state only because it protects me with amount of dogs I can have to fifty which I never have nor would have. I am a good breeder, it helps with barking dogs, it cost me money also and inspections of twice a year keeping records straight on all dogs sold, etc. I do not have to have it just got it for protection. I never thought any state made it a necessaity to have one.?? I have nothing to worry about anymore and could just drop them.
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We had a thoughtful discussion here on this very same topic recently.
http://www.dogforum.org/showthread.php?t=15305
Indeed it is a matter of opinion, and there are plenty of differing ones out there. Mine happens to be that AKC registration and a license are not enough. The Hunte corporation (mother of all puppymills ) has both. And they supply Debby's Petland, which I think was in the news enough in Mass enough times that most dog people have heard of them. In case anyone hasn't, there have been news reports over how badly they treated the dogs they sell and how many customers bought sick puppies from their stores.
Personally I think if you are going to breed, you owe it to both dam and sire to provide them with a suitable life, be it in the home or out in the field, but under no circumstances kept in kennels or cages all day long. Just my opinion!
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AKC means squat. They are record keeper.
I want someone active in the breed club either showing or working their dogs; proving their dogs best match up to the breed standard the breed club has set forth. I want someone who breeds to better the breed; not only does that mean being judged in the show/obedience/agility ring or the field - this means health testing and carefully planned breedings.



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If not always ALWAYS grill the Pet Store (no matter how cute the puppy is!!!)
Pet store should never even be an option - there are only two places that these puppies came from; a BYB or a Puppymill. While your dog may be just fine - you made that spot open for another puppy to be born and brought in to be sold - keeping that vicious cycle going.

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I trust breeders who have a large selection of females because it gives you better reassurance that they aren't going pregnant the same female over and over.
This would be a HUGE red flag...and not a sign of a reputable breeder.
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Lightbulb Supporting the Mills?

I do understand these types of points. Its the same basis as to why people "only buy pure! only buy from breeders!" But someone has to buy from the shelter, someone has to buy from the stores. Those dogs need love and homes too. All though it may "supply more business" in a secondary way, the only way to stop the mills are to stop them directly by contacting that states attorney general, rescues, foundations, and word of mouth.

I'm living proof my dog came from a quaility breeder that could not supply Kayla a well deserved home. And she came from the Pet Store. Generalized statements are ignornant. Evidence & experience are facts.

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There is so many things wrong with your posts(in my own opinion). First and foremost I would NEVER advise anyone to ever go to a pet store to get a puppy or a kitten unless that pet store is like a local one here. All the puppies and kittens and dogs and cats they have are from the shelter and rescues. Everyday the shelters and rescues bring the animals to the store to help get more people to see them. All the money(which is just the same adoption fee the shelter would charge if you went there) they get from the animals go right back to the shelter or rescue. This is the only time I would say it is ok. Otherwise NO. This pet store doesn't purchase animals from anyone to sell. They supply space for the shelters to do that. They are basically a supply store.

Never ever buy from a pet store(in my opinion) under any other circumstance. All you are doing is paying the puppy millers to keep abusing their dogs.

For the rest I agree with Applesmom.
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