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Old 06-18-2017, 09:39 AM   #11
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EWhat "animal control": we have hre will not mess with pit bulls. there use to be a couple--at least two--in the yard that meets outs at the far corner. They dug under the fence into the yard behind us and got under her shed--she barey got her cockers in before the pts wer in. Linda called animal control, they came out, found out ti was pits in her yard and told her to wait for the owners to come and get them. So they are prtty useless.

I feel that one day those dogs will break that chain and attack a dog being walked, or possibly a person. I have never seen the mom and other grown pup in the back yard. Just those two chained in the front.
You might contact these people and see if they can help you or refer you to someone who can. https://www.mylongwayhome.org/pitbulls/

If you want to go through the law, according to the Texas law for "dangerous dogs":
A person may report an incident described by Section 822.041(2) to a municipal court, a justice court, or a county court. The owner of the dog shall deliver the dog to the animal control authority not later than the fifth day after the date on which the owner receives notice that the report has been filed. The authority may provide for the impoundment of the dog in secure and humane conditions until the court orders the disposition of the dog

Here is a link to the complete Texas law for dangerous dogs.
https://www.animallaw.info/statute/t...ous-dogs#s0422

It would probably be helpful if you and your neighbors would work as a group on this problem.

Good luck.
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Old 06-19-2017, 03:32 PM   #12
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One of the lady's on my golden forum had a horror story today. Yesterday she took her just turned a year-old female (spayed) golden to the dog park.It has strick rules--any dog over 9months must be spayed or neutered and have all vaccinations and be observed. Checks are done every 6 months to see how the dog is doing in the park.

Well, Dory was getting attention from every human she could, and then started playing with tis pit bull . He is two years old and he and Dory have played since Dory has been going to the park--about 3 months. Suddenly for no reason he attacked her. She went down on her back screaming. The lady ran to try to get him off as did his owner and a couple of other people there. Dory didn't even try to fight back, just scrammed .

Police were called and the dog was picked up and taken to held for 10 days. Lisa had to rush Dory to the vet. She had to have 14 stitches in her side and she had other palces that were puncture wounds and not stitched. the vet put her on antibiotics but said infection could set in any way.

THEN Lisa went to the ER and ended up with 6 stitches in her hand and 11 staples in her arm--all from the pit bull biting her when she was trying to get if off Dory. She didn't' know if others were bitten or not, and in fact didn't pay attention to her own wounds til she got Dory to the vet. She contacted the owners of the park about it, trying to make sure that dog was never allowed back. We all told her to do whatever it took to make that dog's owners pay for her medical bills and Dory's vet bills. I am sure her insurance will pay for her, but she needs to extract the medical fee amount from the owners of that dog. That is what I did when a German Shepherd attacked my then 13 year old son while he was on his paper route--3rd child the dog had bitten I found out, and all were on bikes either on sidewalk or street like my son.

But it is things like what happened to Dory that makes people not trust pit bulls. He and Dory had played together for 3 months and suddenly he appeared to snap. Lisa was also surprised to learn that every attacks at the park had involved pit bulls or pit bull mixes, all of who had played with other dogs great there until the day they attacked. But I can't picture my nephews pit bull Deezle ever attacking anything. She was so sweet, loved the other dogs and all people.Butthese are nottheones that make thenews.
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Sad, terrible story. Glad Dory and owner are going to be ok.
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Iam afraid that the staffy bull terrier gets stereotyped badly I have only to date met 2 of them that I would never approach it's the owners at fault sadly. The many nice ones many I don't know will just shower you with kisses all day long, Dangerous ha ha not in the slightest I know I own one LOL Cheers
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....They had least 2 pits, maybe more. But they had a chin hanging from a tree and would hang ham or roast bones there in the air and the dog would jump up and grab it and swing. Neighbors beside me and behind me both said that was a way to strengthening their jaws for fighting. They knocked down some pickets (we all have 6 foot wooden fences) of the back fence of the folks next door and got into their yard and came after their dog. Sue was in the yard and managed to get Dixie in the house. Another time they dug under the fence to the yad behind us and two got under her storage shed. She called animal control, they came out, found out what the dogs were and wouldn't' get them out. Linda had to keep her two cockers inside til the people got home and got the dogs. Then she poured cememt along the fence so they couldn't do that again
Complete rubbish and example of stereotyping imo, because they were Pit Bulls. Had it been another breed I find it improbable dog fighting would have been mentioned. There's also the fact that bones are hard to grip. Then the contradiction of the dogs seeming to live together. Seems the owner was even clueless enough to leave them unsupervised together.
At any rate a springpole or similar hanging toy is not used to strengthen / going to strengthen jaws. But such things are used for whole body exercise or can be set different heights to work different muscles. All four feet on ground will give full body, back legs only will give a lot to the rear, if all 4 are off the ground it's not as useful, though the dog can still tug an d twist.
Pits are pretty tenacious, determined breed that is also a catch or gripping breed anyway. I don't see increased grip or strength or whatever these people are saying with my dogs who use springpole vs those who don't or a dog that used one who previously had not.

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One of the lady's on my golden forum had a horror story today. Yesterday she took her just turned a year-old female (spayed) golden to the dog park.It has strick rules--any dog over 9months must be spayed or neutered and have all vaccinations and be observed. Checks are done every 6 months to see how the dog is doing in the park.

Well, Dory was getting attention from every human she could, and then started playing with tis pit bull . He is two years old and he and Dory have played since Dory has been going to the park--about 3 months. Suddenly for no reason he attacked her. She went down on her back screaming. The lady ran to try to get him off as did his owner and a couple of other people there. Dory didn't even try to fight back, just scrammed .

Police were called and the dog was picked up and taken to held for 10 days. Lisa had to rush Dory to the vet. She had to have 14 stitches in her side and she had other palces that were puncture wounds and not stitched. the vet put her on antibiotics but said infection could set in any way.

THEN Lisa went to the ER and ended up with 6 stitches in her hand and 11 staples in her arm--all from the pit bull biting her when she was trying to get if off Dory. She didn't' know if others were bitten or not, and in fact didn't pay attention to her own wounds til she got Dory to the vet. She contacted the owners of the park about it, trying to make sure that dog was never allowed back. We all told her to do whatever it took to make that dog's owners pay for her medical bills and Dory's vet bills. I am sure her insurance will pay for her, but she needs to extract the medical fee amount from the owners of that dog. That is what I did when a German Shepherd attacked my then 13 year old son while he was on his paper route--3rd child the dog had bitten I found out, and all were on bikes either on sidewalk or street like my son.

But it is things like what happened to Dory that makes people not trust pit bulls. He and Dory had played together for 3 months and suddenly he appeared to snap. Lisa was also surprised to learn that every attacks at the park had involved pit bulls or pit bull mixes, all of who had played with other dogs great there until the day they attacked. But I can't picture my nephews pit bull Deezle ever attacking anything. She was so sweet, loved the other dogs and all people.Butthese are nottheones that make thenews.
That is terrible for the dog and owner to go through. I could understand going through this and being weary, but if people would educate themselves it could be prevented. It's not likely the dog "snapped" there could have been previous signs the dog was becoming less social or body language in this particular instance. I wasn't there, so I can't say that for sure, but that's usually the case in any dog attack.
I don't think dog parks are a good idea in general, for numerous reasons. However, clearly a Pit owner taking their dog to dog park is probably ignorant and very careless. Especially if that are not at least watching their dog and preventing a fight, really goes for any breed owner as most sit around and let dogs run wild. The Pit Bulls owner probably believed it's all in how you raise them or maybe even the dog had previous issues but the owner hist ignored them. Most respectable Pit rescues and of course breeders make it clear that taking them to dog park is not a good idea.
I can't blame the Goldens owner, but thinking the dogs played for 3 months it's fine or surprised it happened? They shouldn't be. For one it is a breed known for dog aggression and even a dog social dog might get into a fight, so they don't necessarily have to be aggressive to be involved in conflict. In such case even the dog friendly Pit might fight tenaciously once one has started. Secondly, dogs of any breed or mutt can play with other dogs for years without problems, but one day snap at or attack another dog for a host of other reasons. Though with a Pit Bull you obviously have strength, tenacity, high pain tolerance, drive to quickly or easily stop fighting/ attacking.

I don't think this means Pit Bulls can't be trusted. As a breed bred for and used to dog fighting for a very long time you are talking about genetic traits being bred in. Not all dogs behave with the general breed traits, but we should expect that they might. In that respect pure bred dogs are predictable. Pit Bulls specifically it's highly possible for dog aggression to manifest, it shouldn't create distrust for the breed. I wouldn't trust them at a dog park, but that's not the same as distrusting them overall.
The park of the woman being attacked is surprising. Not sure how these happened, but redirected aggression is very uncommon in Pits. Whether it a dog aggressive Pit passed threshold or one who is in a fight like you mentioned. It is rare to have redirected aggression and for someone to actually be injured by a Pit Bull when breaking up the fight. Did the Pit owner not really help? Did the Golden owner maybe try to put hands in Pit mouth to stop it from biting her dog?

Lisa was also surprised to learn that every attacks at the park had involved pit bulls or pit bull mixes, all of who had played with other dogs great there until the day they attacked.

I'm not the least Pit surprised.
To be surprised is a bit like saying your surprised unrestrained beagles and coonhounds run off chasing scents or that the hunting terrier finally got the neighbors cat who kept cutting through the yard.
That's not to say hound can't learn not to wonder (though seems a rare thing) and that a Patterdales, ect can't live with a small animal, it is only that you expect them to likely express breed traits, they might not but it isn't shocking when they do.
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