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Unread 08-29-2007, 06:42 PM   #1
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I bought an electronic bark collar for Rocky, hoping that maybe it might settle him down when one of us leaves the house, because he barks and bites at us. This was the biggest mistake that I have ever made. I put it on him and he did stop barking at the phone ringing and things outside, but he was really stressed out, he only had it on for about 20 minutes. I tried to take it off him and he attacked me, it took me about 10 minutes with leather gloves, heavy winter coat, and shoes on and I had to wrap him in a blanket to take it off him. I have never felt so bad. He is an aggressive dog and I was just hoping.

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are bark collars and e -collars the same thing????
A bark collar is an electronic collar too, but they're not the same thing.

With the bark collar the dog automatically gets zapped every time it barks.

The electronic training collar has a remote and is controlled by the handler.

Both collars should have settings that adjust to the requirements of the dog.

Kcat if your neighbor says the collar is a ETC with a remote it probably is.

Someone should ask the dogs that have been dumped into shelters for chronic barking if they'd rather wear an e collar for awhile or be in the situation they're in. I'll bet if given a choice most of them would take the e collar in order to be able to stay in their former homes.
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I bought an electronic bark collar for Rocky, hoping that maybe it might settle him down when one of us leaves the house, because he barks and bites at us. This was the biggest mistake that I have ever made. I put it on him and he did stop barking at the phone ringing and things outside, but he was really stressed out, he only had it on for about 20 minutes. I tried to take it off him and he attacked me, it took me about 10 minutes with leather gloves, heavy winter coat, and shoes on and I had to wrap him in a blanket to take it off him. I have never felt so bad. He is an aggressive dog and I was just hoping.
yours is a classic case of not understanding the purpose and proper use of an Electronic Training Collar. Sorry you had to find out the hard way!
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I'm not a fan of shock collars. I will say that they do have their place, but that place is not in the hands of the common dog owner (that place is in field training and rattlesnake avoidance training where the dog's life may depend on it).

As for debarking, it's alot more humane than you might think. The surgery is very simple, very low risk, and relatively inexpensive, even more so than the common spay or neuter. The dog goes in and out the same day and the recovery period is less than that of a spay/neuter. The dog is also not "debarked" completely, they can still bark, it's just more raspy and not as loud. They can also still whine, howl, growl and make any other dog sound. I would rather debark than put an e collar on my dogs, and e collar would destroy them even if it were used properly.
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I'm not a fan of shock collars. I will say that they do have their place, but that place is not in the hands of the common dog owner (that place is in field training and rattlesnake avoidance training where the dog's life may depend on it).

As for debarking, it's alot more humane than you might think. The surgery is very simple, very low risk, and relatively inexpensive, even more so than the common spay or neuter. The dog goes in and out the same day and the recovery period is less than that of a spay/neuter. The dog is also not "debarked" completely, they can still bark, it's just more raspy and not as loud. They can also still whine, howl, growl and make any other dog sound. I would rather debark than put an e collar on my dogs, and e collar would destroy them even if it were used properly.
I don't know what to say in response to this.

I'm sorry, but I'm absolutely stunned that someone would consider surgery over training.

"Low Risk" is absolutely unacceptable risk, to me, anyway, and I can't imagine advocating this procedure over the e-collar.

The ramifications of a statement like that... really... I'm absolutely floored.

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In the 70's and early 80's vets would hold debarking clinics similar to the spay/neuter clinics they have now. At the time it was the "in" thing to have yappy dogs debarked. After all it was easier than taking the time to train them not to bark.

A few years later they discovered that the debarking caused scar tissue to develop which eventually led to the early deaths of many of those dogs. Due to the lesson that was learned during that time, debarking is not the "in" thing anymore.

Methods have improved, and the risks of developing scar tissue isn't quite as bad. But most vets still won't do it!

Sugardog, obviously you don't completeley understand the proper use or purpose of an ETC or you wouldn't have said that. They don't hurt the dog any more than static electricity hurts us. And if used properly the dog isn't going to shut down; unless it's so timid that it's afraid of every piece of blowing paper it sees or snap of a twig it hears.
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I used to be against debarking, but I saw an article in an AKC magazine about them that changed my mind. It's really not as bad as it sounds.

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I don't know what to say in response to this.

I'm sorry, but I'm absolutely stunned that someone would consider surgery over training.

"Low Risk" is absolutely unacceptable risk, to me, anyway, and I can't imagine advocating this procedure over the e-collar.

The ramifications of a statement like that... really... I'm absolutely floored.
I'm not advocating it, nor am I advocating the e-collar.

In fact, I will probably and hopefully never have to use either because I am completely capable of training a dog not to bark without them. A citronella collar is the only bark correction collar I find acceptable. I don't like the idea of debarking either, but I would rather do that than electrically shock my dogs for doing something that dogs naturally do. At least in debarking, they can still bark. A shock collar is not exactly my idea of training either, it's punishing/creating a negative stimulus as a result of a specific behavior (which would be barking)except in their use for field purposes such as how doberman uses hers. Training would be actually training the dog to respond to the command "quiet", which my dogs do reliably.
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Here's an article about debarking

http://www.naiaonline.org/body/artic...debark_qna.htm
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I don't know that I believe all that debarking info. I would have to think that a dog who had the ability to bark in the past would become frustrated at its inability to make so much noise. After all, they're barking to communicate. I'm firmly planted in the no-debarking camp. I have heard (not sure if it is true) that dogs who are debarked will bark even more frequently after this procedure & I've always assumed that it is as a result of that frustration of not being heard. I may put too much emphasis on a dog's "rationality" (bad choice of words, yes) behind constant barking but I can't imagine debarking helps the obsessive behavior that causes incessant barking.
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Electronic bark collars deliever a shock that intensifies if the dog keeps barking. The good ones will give a vibration warning first. An e collar is used with a remote that the dog handler controls. Not always good for a barking dog as if the owner is out of range or not home the dog is not being "punished" for his bad behavior.
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