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Monkey · 01-15-2013, 06:27 PM

Ok, so I sit and try to help people that pulls dogs from Death row here in the NY area.. if they live close enough for me I give them very discounted training so the pups never have to go back...

Either way, there is one dog, he has been dumped twice now.. First time owner says he was too hyper, second owner who didn't admit to having an infant put him back there cause he went for her whenever she was holding the baby..

When he was adopted out he was under expnochild, meaning, he was not suposed to go to a home with kids..

Now when returned he is NH New hope only meaning he is too dangerous to adopt out to general public... In the shelter he has developed defensive issues as most of them do as resource guarding etc.

Now one man who wanted to adopt him from the get go, but they chose the woman instead, he is fitness instructor, runs about 5 miles a day, loves dogs, is in his 40ties, has his own place, no kids, no other close family, big yard, and has already a dog walker in place and me as a trainer BEFORE he has even got the dog. Wants to adopt, but a couple of people are whining about him not being a suitable home cause he works long hours.

You know what, there is days once in a while when I work 12h, before I leave I make sure Scooby is tired, he gets some food before I go to work but I limit it a little bit as well as the water and I make sure he is properly exercised.

So far there has not been one issue, he is usually deep asleep when I come back home still..

Honestly, Ive talked to this guy back and forth through the day, and I can't see why he could not adopt the dog. I feel that at least someone could do a home check.

Due to being NH only, it is just a matter of time before he goes on the kill list... and you know what, a home is a home even if the owner can't be with him as much as we would want vs being burnt to ashes...

At least this man is prepared to put in the money on this dog that he deserves.. He said: The poor pup is confused, he just needs to learn that he will have a place to call home forever and a lot of love and I think he will snap out of his fears..

Sounds like a good man to me..

Kaos · 01-15-2013, 07:10 PM

I would certainly agree that working homes that have sufficient plans in place (such as a good long term confinement area, sufficient exercise, dog walker or daycare etc can make excellent homes for adult dogs. This particular person sounds like an excellent candidate who I would be happy to home a dog to.

I am not at all sure I would be happy rehoming this particular dog on the face of what you have told us however. Aggression towards children is a serious concern, even when there are no children that live in the home currently. Can anybody ensure that for example the dog walker will handle the dog responsibly at all times when out in public? Resource guarding is also a concern. Once again even if the owner is working with the dog on the issue, a visitor or the dog walker may be the ones that are at risk.

Monkey · 01-15-2013, 07:41 PM

Well in the first home he lived with kids and had no reported issues about this what so ever.. So it is likely to believe that the shelter is what triggers it. He has met kids on walks with the volunteers and he's great with them. I think its more the woman lifted the child up and as dogs jump on people who hold up little dogs that its the same syndrome..

And he never bit the assess a hand when guarding, he growled but you could take the item away.. So I truly believe that once settled in it will grow away..

Most of these dogs really turn for the worse in the shelter, meanwhile once out and in a normal situation a lot of just literally melts away. And the guy is willing to take responsibility and he knows what he is dealing with and I do not mind giving him the extra tools. Again as mentioned in the other thread, these are the kind of dogs that gets pulled all the time and honestly I have heard of very few issues..

In my life I have met about 4 dogs I would never rehome, additional 6 that I am extremely cautious with that I think have hopes but only in extremely perfect homes unless rehabilitation goes further with them.

Kaos · 01-15-2013, 08:02 PM

Sounds like you are talking about very low level resource guarding. In which case, I agree this is far less of a concern.

The child problem I would want assessed before I was comfortable placing the dog. Information given by people surrendering dogs is useful, but never assume it tells the full story - people lie and deliberately omit behaviour, as well as sometimes exaggerating. The dog may have specific issues with certain age categories. Babies in arms is a worrying trigger - what happens when the dog walker passes a mother carrying her baby in street?

Monkey · 01-15-2013, 09:48 PM

Oh FYI it is not up to me if the dogs gets pulled or not.. Only 501C rescues that are co operating and are on a special permit list can pull NH dogs..

But if he gets out you can bet your tush on that I will be involved in the training to ensure that nothing bad happens..

And honestly the woman had Kingsley for about two weeks, if he was really dangerous and or tried something I can bet money he would of been back sooner.

techie · 01-16-2013, 10:57 AM

Monkey, I hope the man you are talking to gets the dog. Sounds like the dog has had a rough time of it lately too.
techie

DeeLind7 · 01-16-2013, 11:42 AM

Moo, I hope the guy gets this dog.

PMR · 01-16-2013, 11:44 AM

Me too Moo. It's such a shame that the rules to help these dogs sometimes work against them. Hopefully the rules can be bent to benefit the dog and the guy.

Bigboy · 01-17-2013, 10:04 AM

He sounds a very dedicated guy and seems to be the one for this dog, and has got things in place to help it go smoothly. You will be doing the training and while resource guarding is not a thing to be taken lightly I believe with time and patience this dog can be turned around

Please keep us updated on this story! Fingers and paws crossed for all concerned

LeTigra · 01-26-2013, 03:45 PM

Because every dog, and situation, is different all I will say is that I tend to agree that a lot of negative behaviors come out when dogs are put in high stress situations such as loud/crowded shelters. Limited exercise is among the issues with dogs stuck in there. So it's possible the dog could become a gem quite fast. Thank you for rescuing. Not everyone can do it for various reasons but those of us who do appreciate others who are in the same boat.

01-15-2013, 06:27 PM	#1
Monkey Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: North Massapequa Posts: 9,690 Blog Entries: 23 Rep: 130 Unique Rep: 64	When rescues are getting in the way of themselves! Ok, so I sit and try to help people that pulls dogs from Death row here in the NY area.. if they live close enough for me I give them very discounted training so the pups never have to go back... Either way, there is one dog, he has been dumped twice now.. First time owner says he was too hyper, second owner who didn't admit to having an infant put him back there cause he went for her whenever she was holding the baby.. When he was adopted out he was under expnochild, meaning, he was not suposed to go to a home with kids.. Now when returned he is NH New hope only meaning he is too dangerous to adopt out to general public... In the shelter he has developed defensive issues as most of them do as resource guarding etc. Now one man who wanted to adopt him from the get go, but they chose the woman instead, he is fitness instructor, runs about 5 miles a day, loves dogs, is in his 40ties, has his own place, no kids, no other close family, big yard, and has already a dog walker in place and me as a trainer BEFORE he has even got the dog. Wants to adopt, but a couple of people are whining about him not being a suitable home cause he works long hours. You know what, there is days once in a while when I work 12h, before I leave I make sure Scooby is tired, he gets some food before I go to work but I limit it a little bit as well as the water and I make sure he is properly exercised. So far there has not been one issue, he is usually deep asleep when I come back home still.. Honestly, Ive talked to this guy back and forth through the day, and I can't see why he could not adopt the dog. I feel that at least someone could do a home check. Due to being NH only, it is just a matter of time before he goes on the kill list... and you know what, a home is a home even if the owner can't be with him as much as we would want vs being burnt to ashes... At least this man is prepared to put in the money on this dog that he deserves.. He said: The poor pup is confused, he just needs to learn that he will have a place to call home forever and a lot of love and I think he will snap out of his fears.. Sounds like a good man to me.. __________________ I love dogs cause they do not lie. "I'm chillin' with the forum! "I've been fleeced by Draco!" "I've been fleeced by JGLI"

01-15-2013, 07:41 PM	#3
Monkey Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: North Massapequa Posts: 9,690 Blog Entries: 23 Rep: 130 Unique Rep: 64	Well in the first home he lived with kids and had no reported issues about this what so ever.. So it is likely to believe that the shelter is what triggers it. He has met kids on walks with the volunteers and he's great with them. I think its more the woman lifted the child up and as dogs jump on people who hold up little dogs that its the same syndrome.. And he never bit the assess a hand when guarding, he growled but you could take the item away.. So I truly believe that once settled in it will grow away.. Most of these dogs really turn for the worse in the shelter, meanwhile once out and in a normal situation a lot of just literally melts away. And the guy is willing to take responsibility and he knows what he is dealing with and I do not mind giving him the extra tools. Again as mentioned in the other thread, these are the kind of dogs that gets pulled all the time and honestly I have heard of very few issues.. In my life I have met about 4 dogs I would never rehome, additional 6 that I am extremely cautious with that I think have hopes but only in extremely perfect homes unless rehabilitation goes further with them. __________________ I love dogs cause they do not lie. "I'm chillin' with the forum! "I've been fleeced by Draco!" "I've been fleeced by JGLI"

01-15-2013, 09:48 PM	#5
Monkey Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: North Massapequa Posts: 9,690 Blog Entries: 23 Rep: 130 Unique Rep: 64	Oh FYI it is not up to me if the dogs gets pulled or not.. Only 501C rescues that are co operating and are on a special permit list can pull NH dogs.. But if he gets out you can bet your tush on that I will be involved in the training to ensure that nothing bad happens.. And honestly the woman had Kingsley for about two weeks, if he was really dangerous and or tried something I can bet money he would of been back sooner. __________________ I love dogs cause they do not lie. "I'm chillin' with the forum! "I've been fleeced by Draco!" "I've been fleeced by JGLI"

01-16-2013, 10:57 AM	#6
techie Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: In mid Willamette valley in Oregon Posts: 7,357 Blog Entries: 19 Rep: 31 Unique Rep: 13	Monkey, I hope the man you are talking to gets the dog. Sounds like the dog has had a rough time of it lately too. techie __________________ I HAVE BEEN KISSED!! by sheplovr Dogs rule! "I've got the do: you?" A dog's love is pure! Lucy 1999 - Oct.6,2012. Always in my heart. Now owned by a female beagle, Rascal

01-17-2013, 10:04 AM	#9
Bigboy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: UK: Stoke on trent Posts: 10,459 Rep: 62 Unique Rep: 32	He sounds a very dedicated guy and seems to be the one for this dog, and has got things in place to help it go smoothly. You will be doing the training and while resource guarding is not a thing to be taken lightly I believe with time and patience this dog can be turned around Please keep us updated on this story! Fingers and paws crossed for all concerned __________________ " Iam chillin with the forum! " Thanks Monkey! I been fleeced Thanks Skunkstripe. Dave ATB!

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01-15-2013, 07:10 PM	#2
Kaos Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 3,897 Rep: 256 Unique Rep: 66	I would certainly agree that working homes that have sufficient plans in place (such as a good long term confinement area, sufficient exercise, dog walker or daycare etc can make excellent homes for adult dogs. This particular person sounds like an excellent candidate who I would be happy to home a dog to. I am not at all sure I would be happy rehoming this particular dog on the face of what you have told us however. Aggression towards children is a serious concern, even when there are no children that live in the home currently. Can anybody ensure that for example the dog walker will handle the dog responsibly at all times when out in public? Resource guarding is also a concern. Once again even if the owner is working with the dog on the issue, a visitor or the dog walker may be the ones that are at risk.

01-15-2013, 08:02 PM	#4
Kaos Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 3,897 Rep: 256 Unique Rep: 66	Sounds like you are talking about very low level resource guarding. In which case, I agree this is far less of a concern. The child problem I would want assessed before I was comfortable placing the dog. Information given by people surrendering dogs is useful, but never assume it tells the full story - people lie and deliberately omit behaviour, as well as sometimes exaggerating. The dog may have specific issues with certain age categories. Babies in arms is a worrying trigger - what happens when the dog walker passes a mother carrying her baby in street?

01-16-2013, 11:42 AM	#7
DeeLind7 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Delaware, USA Posts: 6,914 Rep: 54 Unique Rep: 27	Moo, I hope the guy gets this dog.

01-16-2013, 11:44 AM	#8
PMR Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 609 Rep: 20 Unique Rep: 3	Me too Moo. It's such a shame that the rules to help these dogs sometimes work against them. Hopefully the rules can be bent to benefit the dog and the guy.

01-26-2013, 03:45 PM	#10
LeTigra Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 23 Rep: 10 Unique Rep: 0	Because every dog, and situation, is different all I will say is that I tend to agree that a lot of negative behaviors come out when dogs are put in high stress situations such as loud/crowded shelters. Limited exercise is among the issues with dogs stuck in there. So it's possible the dog could become a gem quite fast. Thank you for rescuing. Not everyone can do it for various reasons but those of us who do appreciate others who are in the same boat. __________________ Bully Mom!!

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