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KCat · 01-30-2011, 10:04 PM

Vet said Ming's body has developed an allergy to the normal staph that is in his skin (Bayta had this as well) and that when he gets bathed or brushed this irritates the skin and allows the bacteria to get under the outer layer of the skin and cause the allergic response and the bacteria breed and cause the bumps and whatnot.

Fewer baths in winter and dry weather in general. Softer brushing. Last time I didn't bathe him, I just used a shedding brush and yup, two days later he was a mess.

So - he probably needs another round of antibiotics and a couple of days of pred but we want to keep that to a minimum. He suggested the gentlest way to handle this is mild shampoo (i bought some that supposedly has no detergent in it (no sodium laureth sulfate which is the stuff that suds up and cleans so well but also dries their skin out) and an after shampoo "oil rinse" is what he called it. To put moisture back onto his skin so the skin doesn't itch and crack and make him scratch and let the staph irritate it. I'm assuming he meant some kind of conditioner that will do that but maybe someone here knows better what he meant? Would a Tea Tree Oil conditioner be a good choice (now that I threw it away because I thought I would never use it).

I'm going to let his skin calm down before I do anything. No bath at all for a while. He'll be alittle greasy but when he's greasy he isn't smelly. he only started getting smelly when this started happening.

He's always smelled so good. By the way - i've got him on grain-free everything to try to reduce any immune system reactivity as well.

thanks y'all,
KCat

Kenzie'sMom · 01-30-2011, 11:24 PM

I just found this really great recipe for making your own tea tree oil dog shampoo on the internet!

I'd use it rather than trying to use a gentle shampoo and then a conditioner.

Things You'll Need:

Empty shampoo bottle
2 oz. tea tree oil
2 oz. liquid castile soap
2 cups distilled water
Medium saucepan
3 tea bags

1
Rinse out an empty shampoo bottle or soap bottle to hold your antifungal dog shampoo.
2
Pour two ounces of tea tree oil into the empty bottle. Tea tree oil is a natural antifungal and will leave your dog's coat soft and shiny.
3
Add two ounces of liquid castile soap to the bottle. Castile soap is an olive oil soap and it will help your antifungal dog shampoo lather.
4
Bring two cups of distilled water to a boil in a medium saucepan. Remove the saucepan from the heat and add three tea bags of any flavor you like. The tea bags will add fragrance to your antifungal dog shampoo.
5
Cover the saucepan and let the tea bags steep for about 20 minutes.
6
Remove the tea bags and pour two ounces of your tea into the shampoo bottle. Place the cap on the bottle and shake it well before each use.

Read more: How to Make Antifungal Dog Shampoo | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_6161915_make...#ixzz1CZyvHXkh

Monkey · 01-31-2011, 12:43 PM

why not just stop bathing and brushing him at all?
Tasha dont get either, she gets like a bath every year or every other year and she's rarely dirty at all... If mings skin is like her he won't need it to be honest and thus you won't have the issue....

She's slightly greasy but nothing bad bad and she has never been to the point where she stinks...

techie · 01-31-2011, 01:25 PM

We haven't bathed Lucy in 2 years. She gets plenty of walks in the rain and we rub her dry with special 'Lucy' towels. The towels get washed regularly.
techie

Firstluvarty · 01-31-2011, 01:51 PM

I wouldn't use a tea tree oil if I were you - tea tree can be drying. I used a tea tree on arty once (who also suffers fom hot spots and such), he was more itchy than ever after!!! The thing I find soothes him is oatmeal base.. I even used to soak him in my daughters aveeno collodial oatmeal bath powder adn that seemed to help.

Kyllobernese · 01-31-2011, 03:46 PM

I have heard of some dogs getting a really bad reaction to Tea Tree Oil so I would be a little cautious in using it. I have seen the reaction some horses have had to it also.

Kenzie'sMom · 01-31-2011, 06:49 PM

I've never used it on dogs or horses so I'm no expert on it by any means.

I use it with an oil base for an auto-immune skin problem that has bad itchies as part of the syndrome. It works really well with the itchiness but since I use it with an oil base, I can't say if it's drying or not.

More research needed obviously.

KCat · 01-31-2011, 07:17 PM

well, it's just kinda gross to pet him and have really greasy hands afterward. other than that, it's not a big deal. Certainly don't mind reducing his baths significantly. Or making them essentially water or water/colloidal oatmeal baths v. any kind of shampoo. His coat is longer than most CSPs coats and has an undercoat over his shoulders, neck, and chest. that's the main reason I was brushing him. But I can get some of that out with just a towel.

Firstluvarty · 01-31-2011, 07:26 PM

tea tree oil is an astringent, it can be used for infections and such - we had to use it on my daughter when she had bugs in her hair - so it can kill bugs.. But if your dog has sensitive skin stay away..

I wouldn't chance it, or maybe contact a natural pathic vet first.

You could try an oatmeal based puppy shampoo - or have you tried dry shampoos? you just spray it in and brush..

Kenzie'sMom · 01-31-2011, 07:59 PM

Since MacKenzie absolutely detests his dog brush I use a regular 'person' hair pick on him. It works wonders for getting the loose undercoat out and it won't scratch the skin like an undercoat brush would.

He's still not happy with me grooming him, so I've found ways of being sneaky about it....

Y'all don't want to see the look I get when he catches on....

01-30-2011, 10:04 PM	#1
KCat Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 2,355 Rep: 67 Unique Rep: 27	Skin conditioner/"oil rinse" Vet said Ming's body has developed an allergy to the normal staph that is in his skin (Bayta had this as well) and that when he gets bathed or brushed this irritates the skin and allows the bacteria to get under the outer layer of the skin and cause the allergic response and the bacteria breed and cause the bumps and whatnot. Fewer baths in winter and dry weather in general. Softer brushing. Last time I didn't bathe him, I just used a shedding brush and yup, two days later he was a mess. So - he probably needs another round of antibiotics and a couple of days of pred but we want to keep that to a minimum. He suggested the gentlest way to handle this is mild shampoo (i bought some that supposedly has no detergent in it (no sodium laureth sulfate which is the stuff that suds up and cleans so well but also dries their skin out) and an after shampoo "oil rinse" is what he called it. To put moisture back onto his skin so the skin doesn't itch and crack and make him scratch and let the staph irritate it. I'm assuming he meant some kind of conditioner that will do that but maybe someone here knows better what he meant? Would a Tea Tree Oil conditioner be a good choice (now that I threw it away because I thought I would never use it). I'm going to let his skin calm down before I do anything. No bath at all for a while. He'll be alittle greasy but when he's greasy he isn't smelly. he only started getting smelly when this started happening. He's always smelled so good. By the way - i've got him on grain-free everything to try to reduce any immune system reactivity as well. thanks y'all, KCat __________________ KCat

01-30-2011, 11:24 PM	#2
Kenzie'sMom Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Near North Ontario Posts: 1,030 Rep: 35 Unique Rep: 11	I just found this really great recipe for making your own tea tree oil dog shampoo on the internet! I'd use it rather than trying to use a gentle shampoo and then a conditioner. Things You'll Need: Empty shampoo bottle 2 oz. tea tree oil 2 oz. liquid castile soap 2 cups distilled water Medium saucepan 3 tea bags 1 Rinse out an empty shampoo bottle or soap bottle to hold your antifungal dog shampoo. 2 Pour two ounces of tea tree oil into the empty bottle. Tea tree oil is a natural antifungal and will leave your dog's coat soft and shiny. 3 Add two ounces of liquid castile soap to the bottle. Castile soap is an olive oil soap and it will help your antifungal dog shampoo lather. 4 Bring two cups of distilled water to a boil in a medium saucepan. Remove the saucepan from the heat and add three tea bags of any flavor you like. The tea bags will add fragrance to your antifungal dog shampoo. 5 Cover the saucepan and let the tea bags steep for about 20 minutes. 6 Remove the tea bags and pour two ounces of your tea into the shampoo bottle. Place the cap on the bottle and shake it well before each use. Read more: How to Make Antifungal Dog Shampoo \| eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_6161915_make...#ixzz1CZyvHXkh

01-31-2011, 12:43 PM	#3
Monkey Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: North Massapequa Posts: 9,802 Blog Entries: 23 Rep: 130 Unique Rep: 64	why not just stop bathing and brushing him at all? Tasha dont get either, she gets like a bath every year or every other year and she's rarely dirty at all... If mings skin is like her he won't need it to be honest and thus you won't have the issue.... She's slightly greasy but nothing bad bad and she has never been to the point where she stinks... __________________ I love dogs cause they do not lie. "I'm chillin' with the forum! "I've been fleeced by Draco!" "I've been fleeced by JGLI"

01-31-2011, 01:25 PM	#4
techie Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: In mid Willamette valley in Oregon Posts: 8,655 Blog Entries: 19 Rep: 34 Unique Rep: 16	We haven't bathed Lucy in 2 years. She gets plenty of walks in the rain and we rub her dry with special 'Lucy' towels. The towels get washed regularly. techie __________________ I HAVE BEEN KISSED!! by sheplovr Dogs rule! "I've got the do: you?" A dog's love is pure! Lucy 1999 - Oct.6,2012. Always in my heart. Now owned by a female beagle, Rascal

01-31-2011, 07:17 PM	#8
KCat Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 2,355 Rep: 67 Unique Rep: 27	well, it's just kinda gross to pet him and have really greasy hands afterward. other than that, it's not a big deal. Certainly don't mind reducing his baths significantly. Or making them essentially water or water/colloidal oatmeal baths v. any kind of shampoo. His coat is longer than most CSPs coats and has an undercoat over his shoulders, neck, and chest. that's the main reason I was brushing him. But I can get some of that out with just a towel. __________________ KCat

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01-31-2011, 01:51 PM	#5
Firstluvarty Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Hamilton, ON, CA Posts: 1,081 Rep: 19 Unique Rep: 7	I wouldn't use a tea tree oil if I were you - tea tree can be drying. I used a tea tree on arty once (who also suffers fom hot spots and such), he was more itchy than ever after!!! The thing I find soothes him is oatmeal base.. I even used to soak him in my daughters aveeno collodial oatmeal bath powder adn that seemed to help.

01-31-2011, 03:46 PM	#6
Kyllobernese Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,297 Rep: 18 Unique Rep: 5	I have heard of some dogs getting a really bad reaction to Tea Tree Oil so I would be a little cautious in using it. I have seen the reaction some horses have had to it also.

01-31-2011, 06:49 PM	#7
Kenzie'sMom Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Near North Ontario Posts: 1,030 Rep: 35 Unique Rep: 11	I've never used it on dogs or horses so I'm no expert on it by any means. I use it with an oil base for an auto-immune skin problem that has bad itchies as part of the syndrome. It works really well with the itchiness but since I use it with an oil base, I can't say if it's drying or not. More research needed obviously.

01-31-2011, 07:26 PM	#9
Firstluvarty Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Hamilton, ON, CA Posts: 1,081 Rep: 19 Unique Rep: 7	tea tree oil is an astringent, it can be used for infections and such - we had to use it on my daughter when she had bugs in her hair - so it can kill bugs.. But if your dog has sensitive skin stay away.. I wouldn't chance it, or maybe contact a natural pathic vet first. You could try an oatmeal based puppy shampoo - or have you tried dry shampoos? you just spray it in and brush..

01-31-2011, 07:59 PM	#10
Kenzie'sMom Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Near North Ontario Posts: 1,030 Rep: 35 Unique Rep: 11	Since MacKenzie absolutely detests his dog brush I use a regular 'person' hair pick on him. It works wonders for getting the loose undercoat out and it won't scratch the skin like an undercoat brush would. He's still not happy with me grooming him, so I've found ways of being sneaky about it.... Y'all don't want to see the look I get when he catches on....

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