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Kyllobernese · 01-19-2013, 07:57 PM

At our Foundation Agility class at the end of last year, there was a Golden Retriever that would go after our small dogs if it got close enough. I kept Lucy well away from it and picked her up when his dog was off-leash.

When we started classes this year I was happy to see it was not in the class. Well it showed up today. I was standing with Lucy on leash and did not see his dog heading for me till it got there. As I went to pick up Lucy it went for her so she ran around behind me with the dog chasing her. I tried to grab the Golden but it did not have a collar on so missed so we went around in a few circles with it chasing Lucy before the owner finally got hold of it.

What made me mad was the trainer said to me that the dog was not trying to hurt my dog, it just want to play and I should have picked her up. Whether the dog was going to hurt Lucy or not, she sure thought so. She is used to big dogs and plays with them no problem so obviously the Golden was putting out signs that he was not playing. As she is a small dog I am not going to wait and see if the dog wants to play with her.

A simple SORRY from the owner would have made me feel better.

DeeLind7 · 01-19-2013, 09:02 PM

A simple sorry indeed. I am really surprised at the trainer, though. The Golden should, in my opinion, be kept on leash, and has no business being in that class.

RosieB · 01-20-2013, 06:33 AM

So sorry you had such a horrible experience! And it had NO COLLAR ON!!!

In the UK that is actually illegal to have a dog outside a home without a collar

Bigboy · 01-20-2013, 10:53 AM

The trainer is wrong on both counts 1. The signs were there your dog picked up on those signals. 2. You shouldn't really pick your dog up incase agression is directed on you as well. And Dee is so right this dog has no right being in this class and come to think of it the trainer doesn't sound that good either! So have a think about and maybe find another class or at least tell the trainer the signs (signals) were there and your dog read these signals and felt threatened and yes a simple sorry and then put measures in to place so it doesn't happen again would be the way forward on this matter

Good luck!

techie · 01-20-2013, 11:17 AM

The dog should have never been allowed in the class in the first place!
techie

FrodoMom · 01-20-2013, 12:29 PM

All of the above.

Kyllobernese · 01-20-2013, 01:06 PM

As far as teaching Agility, the instructor is very good and the only one in our area that even knows anything about Agility. As far as reading dog's body language I don't feel she is very good at it. To say that she did not think the dog was trying to hurt Lucy when it was grabbing at her does not make much sense. She also said it was hard on Lucy flying around on the end of the leash as if I planned it that way instead of picking her up. I had bent down planning on picking her up but she bolted when the dog went after her and ended up behind me then with the leash wrapped around my legs All it's hackles were up and it was focused on her, not just wanting to play with the other dogs. I never once heard him call his dog, just kept trying to get hold of it.

In Agility trials you have to run them without collars but there is no reason this dog could not be wearing a collar in training.

01-19-2013, 07:57 PM	#1
Kyllobernese Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 891 Rep: 14 Unique Rep: 4	A bit of a Rant At our Foundation Agility class at the end of last year, there was a Golden Retriever that would go after our small dogs if it got close enough. I kept Lucy well away from it and picked her up when his dog was off-leash. When we started classes this year I was happy to see it was not in the class. Well it showed up today. I was standing with Lucy on leash and did not see his dog heading for me till it got there. As I went to pick up Lucy it went for her so she ran around behind me with the dog chasing her. I tried to grab the Golden but it did not have a collar on so missed so we went around in a few circles with it chasing Lucy before the owner finally got hold of it. What made me mad was the trainer said to me that the dog was not trying to hurt my dog, it just want to play and I should have picked her up. Whether the dog was going to hurt Lucy or not, she sure thought so. She is used to big dogs and plays with them no problem so obviously the Golden was putting out signs that he was not playing. As she is a small dog I am not going to wait and see if the dog wants to play with her. A simple SORRY from the owner would have made me feel better. Last edited by Kyllobernese; 01-20-2013 at 02:02 AM.. Reason: spelling

01-20-2013, 10:53 AM	#4
Bigboy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: UK: Stoke on trent Posts: 10,464 Rep: 62 Unique Rep: 32	The trainer is wrong on both counts 1. The signs were there your dog picked up on those signals. 2. You shouldn't really pick your dog up incase agression is directed on you as well. And Dee is so right this dog has no right being in this class and come to think of it the trainer doesn't sound that good either! So have a think about and maybe find another class or at least tell the trainer the signs (signals) were there and your dog read these signals and felt threatened and yes a simple sorry and then put measures in to place so it doesn't happen again would be the way forward on this matter Good luck! __________________ " Iam chillin with the forum! " Thanks Monkey! I been fleeced Thanks Skunkstripe. Dave ATB!

01-20-2013, 11:17 AM	#5
techie Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: In mid Willamette valley in Oregon Posts: 7,362 Blog Entries: 19 Rep: 31 Unique Rep: 13	The dog should have never been allowed in the class in the first place! techie __________________ I HAVE BEEN KISSED!! by sheplovr Dogs rule! "I've got the do: you?" A dog's love is pure! Lucy 1999 - Oct.6,2012. Always in my heart. Now owned by a female beagle, Rascal

01-20-2013, 12:29 PM	#6
FrodoMom Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 873 Rep: 15 Unique Rep: 2	All of the above. __________________ Not all who wander are lost.

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01-19-2013, 09:02 PM	#2
DeeLind7 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Delaware, USA Posts: 6,919 Rep: 54 Unique Rep: 27	A simple sorry indeed. I am really surprised at the trainer, though. The Golden should, in my opinion, be kept on leash, and has no business being in that class.

01-20-2013, 06:33 AM	#3
RosieB Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 129 Rep: 10 Unique Rep: 0	So sorry you had such a horrible experience! And it had NO COLLAR ON!!! In the UK that is actually illegal to have a dog outside a home without a collar

01-20-2013, 01:06 PM	#7
Kyllobernese Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 891 Rep: 14 Unique Rep: 4	As far as teaching Agility, the instructor is very good and the only one in our area that even knows anything about Agility. As far as reading dog's body language I don't feel she is very good at it. To say that she did not think the dog was trying to hurt Lucy when it was grabbing at her does not make much sense. She also said it was hard on Lucy flying around on the end of the leash as if I planned it that way instead of picking her up. I had bent down planning on picking her up but she bolted when the dog went after her and ended up behind me then with the leash wrapped around my legs All it's hackles were up and it was focused on her, not just wanting to play with the other dogs. I never once heard him call his dog, just kept trying to get hold of it. In Agility trials you have to run them without collars but there is no reason this dog could not be wearing a collar in training.

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