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Old 02-04-2012, 06:39 PM   #21
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I ditto what Kenzie'sMom has written.
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Old 02-04-2012, 08:08 PM   #22
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True but I don't think I was generalising as I mentioned Nippers name only and again if they are new dogs I haven't seen I always ask first 1.Is your dog(s) ok with other dogs. 2. And is it ok for my dog to join in if yes then fine but know what you are saying!
Bigboy, I think both you and I were generalizing. Sometimes you need to to think ouside your own neighborhood. All dogs and their owners, are not created equal. What is ok for one dog, is not ok with another. My response was thinking only about my dogs and my neighborhood. We have really strick leash laws, and for the most part, my neighbors would never think about allowing their dogs to approach another dog, even on lead. My neighbors walk their dogs for excercise for them and their dogs. It is not a social event. I never gave a thought in my response, to a dog like Nellie, who was attacked by 2 dogs, or with Chessie who has had multiple medical issues, and should not be approached. In your post you said that you were only talking about Nipper, says that you, just like me, were generalizing. It's not about you and Nipper, or me and my dogs. It's about every dog out there, and their needs.

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I took the original question differently as far as beig over protective. I feel I am very over protective. But not about socializing. Just about her every move. Not as much any more but there's still moments where she'll make a sound, zone out, move or not move, twitch in her sleep... And I'll jump. She had seizures as a puppy. To this day if she does the right action my heart skips a beat and I have to get her attention. It takes a split second to get it but obviously if she was starting to seizure she'd be gone. So, it's my quick check. Ive had a few people tell me to calm down but I guess until you've been there then you don't know that it's just engrained.
There's also the fact she wears a harness in the car every.single.ride. And has shoes she wears when visiting my dad's in central Oregon because his 5 acres is covered in chutney (sp?) grass. She gets "expensive" food too... All things I've had people roll their eyes at.
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I took the original question differently as far as beig over protective. I feel I am very over protective. But not about socializing. Just about her every move. Not as much any more but there's still moments where she'll make a sound, zone out, move or not move, twitch in her sleep... And I'll jump. She had seizures as a puppy. To this day if she does the right action my heart skips a beat and I have to get her attention. It takes a split second to get it but obviously if she was starting to seizure she'd be gone. So, it's my quick check. Ive had a few people tell me to calm down but I guess until you've been there then you don't know that it's just engrained.
There's also the fact she wears a harness in the car every.single.ride. And has shoes she wears when visiting my dad's in central Oregon because his 5 acres is covered in chutney (sp?) grass. She gets "expensive" food too... All things I've had people roll their eyes at.
Yeah, my comment was geared more at those who seemingly have no real issues with their dog. I certainly understand it when a dog owner is protective, especially if theirs has been attacked by another dog, has behavior issues or has special needs. that's why I used the dog park scenario that my wife encountered with the reverend. the reverend didn't know how to interpret dog behavior and assumed our dogs were fighting, when in fact they were not. she thus had to be reassured that they were just playing. If the reverend had more experience socializing her dog she'd pick up on dog behavior and realize that not all dogs are out to get her dog.

case in point, when my wife and I first adopted George I was apprehensive about taking him to the park. I didn't know if he'd run off or not, but more importantly, I didn't know how he'd react around other dogs. but I had to know and almost immediately I saw that he was great around other dogs, in fact, he thrives around other dogs.

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I took the original question differently as far as beig over protective. I feel I am very over protective. But not about socializing. Just about her every move. Not as much any more but there's still moments where she'll make a sound, zone out, move or not move, twitch in her sleep... And I'll jump. She had seizures as a puppy. To this day if she does the right action my heart skips a beat and I have to get her attention. It takes a split second to get it but obviously if she was starting to seizure she'd be gone. So, it's my quick check. Ive had a few people tell me to calm down but I guess until you've been there then you don't know that it's just engrained.
There's also the fact she wears a harness in the car every.single.ride. And has shoes she wears when visiting my dad's in central Oregon because his 5 acres is covered in chutney (sp?) grass. She gets "expensive" food too... All things I've had people roll their eyes at.
I took the original question just as you did. I thought it was a general question of being over protective in a broader sense, not just daily walking. I have a Sister that is over protective of her kids and her dog. Her dog is a poodle mix and is a very cute, laid back dog. I'm sure she would be much happier if my Sister actually let her breathe and be a dog. I went to visit in Janurary, and wanted to take the poor pup back on the plane with me. Her idea of walking the dog, consists of opening the front door, walking across the street, letting the dog do her business, and back home again. If anyone, including her own kids, walk up to the dog, she picks her up because she "doesn't want anyone to step on her." Inside the home is no different. She has the dog on her lap all the time. Needless to say, the dog is not trained at all. She pulls on leash and is food agressive. I'm positive that my Sister was happy to see me leave that day. I'm not sure if it was the hour long talk about proper dog ownership, or the "you shouldn't own a dog" comment that offended her. I'm thinking maybe both. Either way, she has taken over protective to a whole new level.

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I think your statement is true to some people! There's being protective and being stifiling overly protective this isn't healthy for the dog or the owner. Some people just can't see the signs along the way1
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Im guilty of that to a point. When we got Vinnie he was picked up as a stray so we weren't sure of his background....fast forward to today and have realized that he is fine with dogs his size and smaller but can be very agressive with larger dogs. But it's not all large dogs so I pick up on how he is when a larger dog approaches and can tell if he will be ok with them. My SIL has 2 dogs --- one 15 pound terrier and one 75 pound yellow lab. He has grown up with both and met the lab when he was a puppy so he loves him and plays grea together. BUT that isn't true with most large dogs. He was attack when he was a the shelter by another large dog - we don't know if that has something to do with it or not. He's a work in progress

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In terms of being over-protective in general......no, not really. Much as my husband likes to tease me about "pampering" the dog, it couldn't be further from the truth!

Nellie is largely left to her own devices at home. She is allowed on the furniture, but gets put on the floor when she snarls (which she sometimes does when one of us dares to move, so she gets sent to her bed in disgrace until she repents ). She is a proper velcro-dog though, and if she chooses to follow us so closely that she gets trodden on or kicked while we're busy with housework etc, that's her lookout! I don't think that's harsh, she's bright enough and fast enough to move.

When people come round, I confess that I am.......cautious. This is when hubby teases me about "mollycoddling" her, but Nell is anxious of strangers, so all visitors - other than certain friends and family who she sees regularly - cause her some degree of stress. I don't coo over her or make a fuss, I just make sure I can see her, that I'm monitoring her body language, and that I offer her an escape route (behind me if necessary) if it gets too much for her. If people make eye contact with her she growls and snarls, so I try to encourage her away from the visitors to settle somewhere quietly by herself......but then hubby tells me to "leave the dog alone" and that he'll "deal with her".

Dealing with her appears to consists of yelling at her to shut up growling and stop being such a brat, so she just gets more nervous. She won't leave the room because she feels safer being near us, and she's fascinated by visitors even though she fears them.

The only time we remove her altogether, or pop her behind the baby gate, is when we have a baby, or child under 10 who doesn't know her very well, round to visit. She cannot be trusted not to lunge and snarl at small people who aren't totally relaxed around her. She adores babies, but she tries to get in the baby seat with them and cover their faces in patterdale kisses, which the baby's mum doesn't always appreciate.

Fuuny, yesterday when we were talking about being "overprotective" when out on walks, in my haste to explain about her "special needs", I completely forgot that she had spinal surgery less than six months ago, and is now vulnerable to further injury. So quite apart from her social issues, she has a medical issue too (like Chessie) which means I would sooner she didn't get into another fight.

Hubby does tease me for having her fully stripped twice a year - he says he likes her scruffy, she looks more like a working terrier. Freshly stripped she does look rather like a new puppy, he calls her "pussy-cat-dog". But all working terriers need a coat they can work with - I don't pay for it just so she looks nice (although that is a bonus), I have her done because it makes her coat closer, warmer, and more bramble-proof and rainproof.

I admit I love her smelling of baby powder twice a year, rather than her usual aroma of rotting manure and fox poo.

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I took the original question differently as far as beig over protective. I feel I am very over protective. But not about socializing. Just about her every move. Not as much any more but there's still moments where she'll make a sound, zone out, move or not move, twitch in her sleep... And I'll jump. She had seizures as a puppy. To this day if she does the right action my heart skips a beat and I have to get her attention. It takes a split second to get it but obviously if she was starting to seizure she'd be gone. So, it's my quick check. Ive had a few people tell me to calm down but I guess until you've been there then you don't know that it's just engrained.
There's also the fact she wears a harness in the car every.single.ride. And has shoes she wears when visiting my dad's in central Oregon because his 5 acres is covered in chutney (sp?) grass. She gets "expensive" food too... All things I've had people roll their eyes at.


I use a harness in the car with Frodo. But then , I am a school bus driver, so I'm very familiar with the thought process of far fetched things that can happen that you don't expect. My training classes taught me all sorts of scenarios. I was like that with my kids too. they had to ride in the back seat where there aren't airbags. I wouldn't let them ride in a car with another teenager driving till they were older.
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I use a harness in the car with Frodo. But then , I am a school bus driver, so I'm very familiar with the thought process of far fetched things that can happen that you don't expect. My training classes taught me all sorts of scenarios. I was like that with my kids too. they had to ride in the back seat where there aren't airbags. I wouldn't let them ride in a car with another teenager driving till they were older.
Lol... I'm CPST (Child Passenger Safety Technician). So I'm sure we've had much of the same scenario training. What kind of harness do you use? I'd had the PetBuckle but I just was never pleased... She now uses a Bergan Harness and I love it... but I'm always open to another option! lol
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