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Old 05-18-2011, 01:55 PM   #1
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I think I may have the MOST spiteful dog in the world! She is a little over a year old and become worse as she got older.

I was in my bedroom earlier this week playing with my cat (the cat dont like the dog so I have them separated) and when I came out the dog went in. At 1st I thought she was sleeping on the bed later to find out she peed all over MY side of the bed and pillow- I wanted to kill her! Today she got locked in the bedroom while I was in the living room doing a few chores when I noticed the door had shut and she couldnt come out I went to get her and again noitced she peed on the bed. I show it to her and say BAD! which she knows bc she goes in her crate without me putting her in it. I have been punishing her by crate for 10 mins then letting her out. WHAT CAN I DO????? Am I doing the right thing??? I want to cry.
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Old 05-18-2011, 02:18 PM   #2
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Well, it sounds like she is marking your bed, because of the cat. I would not punish her by crating her. The crate should be a happy place to go. Have you tried the cat and dog together at all? Cats will usually come around and accept the dog, it just takes some time. I'm not much help. but I'm sure you will get a lot of positive responses to this thread.

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It does no good to show her the pee on the bed and say Bad. All that does is make you feel better. The dog just sees pee on the bed and you are angry and by your body language she figured to go in her crate till the storm blows over. Yelling at her after the fact does nothing but make the dog see you as an unstable person. She does not associate her action of peeing on the bed as bad but you are mad about there being pee in the bed. She has already forgotten that she did it. If that makes sense... If you caught her in the action of it, that would be different. Then you can correct her.

If you cannot watch her in your bedroom, then keep her out. Learn to make a habit of looking behind you when you shut the door. Do not use her crate for punishment either. Leash the dog to you and when you go in your room give her cookies, make the room fun and rewarding and positive. Until you get the cat used to the dog, make the time spent with the cat rewarding for the dog. Have a special toy that she can only have when you are in with the cat, or a filled kong.

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Diamond T is right, so I won't repeat all of that again. I will say that dog's aren't "spiteful." That's a myth that dogs do things out of "spite." Dog's don't have the capability of "planning revenge" as people think. They are opportunists who live in the moment. Your dog may have peed on the bed because it smelled like the cat. A small drop of cat urine or even human sweat may have been there prompting the dog to smell the urea and thus go there. It's very hard to get the urine smell out of a mattress, so your dog repeated the same behavior. You cannot punish this after the act, but can only give a punishment while the dog is in the act. So controlling the environment like Diamond T said is the best way to deal with it. Also look at enzymatic cleaning products to try and get the smell out of the mattress. Even if you can't smell it - your dog can.
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unfortunately the cat will NEVER become okay with the dog. I have had her for over a year and she isn't having her at all. She growls and hisses and is scared. She doesn't even like people and a energetic dog who is rough will never be a friend of hers. As far as the crate goes- she likes it so Im not worried about her associating it with hating it bc of punishment she goes in there on her own to just hang out.

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That's the point though She could easily associate the crate as a bad thing ( I don't particular like crates but that's a personal thing!) Shouting will get you no where whatsoever. Positive training is the way to go Why allow your dog in the bed room in the first place? My Nipper knows upstairs is out of bounds and it doesn't bother her one bit! Dogs can get along with cats but you will need to train your dog not to touch the cat in any way! But that's or another thread. Cleaning the pee up is paramount so enzyme cleaning is good along with steam cleaning!
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unfortunately the cat will NEVER become okay with the dog. I have had her for over a year and she isn't having her at all. She growls and hisses and is scared. She doesn't even like people and a energetic dog who is rough will never be a friend of hers. As far as the crate goes- she likes it so Im not worried about her associating it with hating it bc of punishment she goes in there on her own to just hang out.
You've received some good advice. Continue to use the crate as punishment, and she will start to avoid it; her positive associations with it will be replaced. They will. You have a very narrow window, somewhere between 1.5 and 3 seconds, usually, to deal with a behavior after the fact. Beyond that narrow window, your dog will not be likely to associate your punishment with the event, and will more likely be confused. If you discover the pee well after the fact and rub her nose in it, all she knows is that you've apparently lost your mind and become unstable and unpredictable for no apparent reason. Bewildered, she goes to her crate because that appeases you. She's already learned that. She doesn't "understand" your anger, after the fact. YOU think she understands because you see a bigger picture with more associations. HER window is much narrower, both in time and scope.

While I do not agree that dogs only live in the moment and cannot plan actions - I've seen far too much planning and memory to accept that - they simply do not think the way we do, and do not experience time the way we do, and do not associate whole chains of events together the way we do. One of the most common mistakes humans make with dogs is projecting human emotions and behaviors onto dogs. Dogs have their own behaviors and motivations. They are different, not lesser, but you always have to keep present in your mind that they interpret the world very differently.

I have no doubt that she pissed on your bed as an expression of her frustration and upset at being locked in there. Your scent is all over the place and she knows that is where you sleep. However, to read "spite" into it is to misunderstand the literal nature of her communication. She isn't sending you a message in the way you seem to think she is, though you could easily interpret it that way. She IS signaling a message to you and/or the cat, but not with the human motivation of spite. It's more basic and primitive than that.
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