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Unread 12-03-2009, 02:15 PM   #1
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Default Neuter/Spaying a Large Breed Dog

I heard somewhere that for large or giant breed dogs it's best to wait until they are fully matured in comparison to smaller breed dogs getting neutered/spayed before they reach adulthood.

Does anyone know the reason behind this?

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Personally neutering/spaying only prevents unwanted litters. If you do some research on the negatives about neutering spaying youll understand why I believe that. For large breeds like your German Shepherds, St. Bernands, Great danes..I believe its better to wiat until maturity has been reached because a dog that is neutered before this maturity will grow taller than its littermates. This is because hormones is what tells the growth plates in the longer bones to close. If the hormones arent there the dog keeps growing until the plates close themselves which leaves the dogs open for bone/joint issues later on in life.

It also has been proven that neutering eliminates the risk of testicular cancer...the risk of a dog getting testicular cancer is less than 3%, also almot all tumours found on te testicles are benign. Neutering leaves you dog open to other health concerns. Highy malignant prostate cancer. Almost all malignant protstate tumours occur in neutered dogs.

Im not trying to start a war, but this is information based on intenet research and from holistic veterinarians.

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I haven't heard this but speaking from experience, my now 121 pound dog...a GSD x Maremma, was neutered when he was 6 months. He has arthritis in the back legs now and is nearly 7 years old. His brother, whom I rescued when 3 years old and I had him neutered then, has no bone probs at all.
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IMO, spaying/neutering should be done as soon as your vet will do it.
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Yeah everyone is different. But based on my personal experiences and research I dont think there is absolutly any benefit to spaying or neutering. I would spay nefore I neutered. All the issues ive been having with mine and my other dog I had a long time ago. No matter what we do animals will die in shelters. In order for over population to stop vets need to lower spay/neuter prices and it must be made mandatory Canada/US wide atleast to spay/neuter.

Im not contributing to the over population by breeding w/e dog has a set of testicles to a female with a working uterus, so therefore I dont feel obligated to spay/neuter. All mine but two are done. My female Pitbull is intact for a health reason and my male Malinois is intact beause I paid a good chunck of money for him and hes titles and pointed and I will be breeding him resposibly to a suitable female titled and pointed like him. To prevent unwanted litters when my female goes into heat, she stays at my friends house.

I will never own anymore females again unless they come to me spayed cause I prefer not to alter any gender.

If others are aware of the negatives about neutering/spaying cause there lots just like any other surgery..even for humans..and they want to continue..I have nothing against that. This is just my own personal choice. Rooting from experience and research. My only other peeve about it is vets do not seem to be honest about it. When I got mine fixed my vet only told me the positives about it which from what ive been reading have been proven incorrect. Never once did he tell me any negatives about casteration for either genders...

Ive seen some good vets, some bad vets and some vets I think should have their license revoked like those vets at the Toronto Humane Society. A good vet to me is one that points out any positives/negatives and leaves the decision open to you to make on your own. My last vet when I brought my Malinois in there as a puppy at 8 weeks she already had his neuter appointment booked for a month away and didnt even asked me about it..just came into the room and said here is neutering appointment..I am no longer with that vet.

In the end, its the owners decision. This is my reaosn why I do not like it.

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I am with k9 capture on this one... I don't like spaying neutering ANY dog until fully grown. Midnight was an example of way too early. I know where white cat comes from but when it comes to people who are serious about owning a dog spaying and neutering is not mandatory cause its not that hard to keep a dog under controlled curcomstances. Where I come from we don't spay and neuter, its almost more unusal to run into an altered dog than an unaltered and we have only one shelter. Granted we are only 9 million people and 20 million dogs and cats something like that but still..

My next puppy will be a rottie female Ill do with her as I did with Tasha, spay her when she's up in age. Tasha got spayed last year at the age of 7.5 as precaution to avoid the uterus inflammation that I can NEVER remember the name for...
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Small breeds mature physically much faster than the larger breeds. By comparison, toy breeds can have their first season anytime from 4 months on. Larger breeds usually experience their first season anywhere from 9 to 15 months or more. But there can always be exceptions.


It's only been in fairly recent years that veterinary studies have proven that in a small percentage of larger breed dogs, early spay neuter might create more problems than they prevent. Urinary incontinence is one of the most common complaints among females; but it's still a small percentage. Both sexes if altered too young can and ofter do suffer with the failure to mature physically as mentioned above.

Even though vets are well aware of the possibility of problems cropping up, the majority of them still advocate puppy spay neuter due to the pet overpopulation problem.

IMO neutering does not make a male one bit easier to train or live with.
That has more to do with temperament and how they're raised and socialized than it does with neutering. The exception might be the known dog aggressive breeds who I would think should be neutered long before the driving force of DA (testosterone) has a chance to kick in.

It's my own belief that in most breeds, neutering most males isn't really necessary at all if a dog is owned by a responsible owner. Not many male dogs in pet households today are ever exposed to females in season. If they are, then I'd suggest they be neutered before maturity, but not while still puppies!

With females, unless the owner is mentally prepared not to spay and go through the hassle of the heat cycle every 6 months; problems might be avoided down the road if the owner at least waited until after their first season before having them spayed. Sadly as yet, there's no way to predict in advance which dogs might suffer undesired results from early spay/neuter, other than the generalization of size.
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Before getting Tilba I read this article http://www.caninesports.com/SpayNeuter.html and decided not to get her spayed until after her 1st heat & she was spayed at 14 m/o. Up until her all my previous dogs were s/n at 6 m/o.

Just b4 getting her done I came across this link http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongT...uterInDogs.pdf

At Tilba's 1st vet visit I explained all of this to my vet & she agreed with me saying to only let her have 1 season as the % went up dramatically for mammary cancer with each successive season.
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We had are saint bernard spayed at 5mos and she's a little over 2 and has had no problems she weights 135 now

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Before getting Tilba I read this article http://www.caninesports.com/SpayNeuter.html and decided not to get her spayed until after her 1st heat & she was spayed at 14 m/o. Up until her all my previous dogs were s/n at 6 m/o.

Just b4 getting her done I came across this link http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongT...uterInDogs.pdf

At Tilba's 1st vet visit I explained all of this to my vet & she agreed with me saying to only let her have 1 season as the % went up dramatically for mammary cancer with each successive season.
These are both excellent articles, especially the second and they are well worth a read.

Early spay/neuter is particularly damaging to large and giant breeds. Osteosarcoma is enough of a problem already without increasing the risks.

I always let my girls have at least one season before spaying. It's not a problem if you are sensible. With males I only desex if they have a high sex drive. Most male sighthounds are so laid back you would have to bring a female in season into the room with them to get a reaction and half the time you would have to wake them up first.

I'm old enough to remember when compulsory desexing of dogs and cats rehomed by welfare societies was first introduced into Australia. This began in the late 1960's. Everyone thought is would solve the unwanted dog and cat problem. It didn't. Just as many unwanted animals still die today.

It's worth three weeks of inconvenience once in a dog's life to try and help avoid problems later on.

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