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Unread 03-10-2009, 09:51 AM   #1
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Default Altered vs Unaltered Male Dogs (question)

I have a question regarding my male dog.
He just got neutered on February 13 of this year. I have noticed that ever since he got back home after his surgery he has been really grumpy towards my other male dog.
He never acted that way towards him before. They used to be inseparatable, but now he has started to just look at him and growl. It's like he is telling him to back off when the other is doing absolutely nothing. He will simply just keep at him growling. He never tries to be physical but I am a little wary that he may try to later on if this continues.

At first I was under the impression that he was trying to claim my female, as she was in heat when he got back from surgery. But her heat has been over now for a while and he is still acting this way.

I don't understand why he is still reacting this way toward the other dog. What throws me off a bit is that the one being grumpy it the neutered on and the unaltered male is the calm one that tries to stay away.

Has anybody ever experienced any behaviour like this between 2 dogs. If so, could you give me suggestions on how to deal with this situation?

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Are you sure the un-neutered guy didn't try to hump the neutered one....or that it has nothing to do with being neutered/intact - that something else didn't happen causing the neutered guy to be growly towards the intact guy?
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What you're seeing is the typical adolescent unaltered male that has been exposed to a bitch in heat.
Even though he'd just been neutered he was still loaded with testosterone. It takes a month or more for the testosterone levels to go down after neutering.

Now that he's had the opportunity to begin this behavior, the fact that he's been neutered may not put a stop to it. It's up to you to teach him that this behavior is not acceptable.

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Are you sure the un-neutered guy didn't try to hump the neutered one....or that it has nothing to do with being neutered/intact - that something else didn't happen causing the neutered guy to be growly towards the intact guy?
I know for a fact that he does not try to hump the other dog. Ever since I got him, I never had an issue with him being dominant with any other dog. He has always been the passive one. Also, they are always around me when I am home so I taught both not to go around humping other dogs. It was going very well until recently.

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I'm gathering from the thread title that your other dog is intact? That can be it right there. Many neutered male dogs react badly to intact males. My friend has an altered hound mix that is extremely dog friendly - but the hair will go up on his back and he will curl his lip at any unneutered dog.
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What you're seeing is the typical adolescent unaltered male that has been exposed to a bitch in heat.
Even though he'd just been neutered he was still loaded with testosterone. It takes a month or more for the testosterone levels to go down after neutering.

Now that he's had the opportunity to begin this behavior, the fact that he's been neutered may not put a stop to it. It's up to you to teach him that this behavior is not acceptable.

Good luck!
What I was doing was whenever the altered male would go after the unaltered male, I would distract him and get him out of that frame of mind. If I am in the other room he would snap out of it once I called out to him. Then I would make him sit or do something else.
It works a little bit, but I don't find that it is working for the longterm. Are there any other methods out there that may have a more longterm effect?

Also, the altered male is notoriously stubborn.

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I'm gathering from the thread title that your other dog is intact? That can be it right there. Many neutered male dogs react badly to intact males. My friend has an altered hound mix that is extremely dog friendly - but the hair will go up on his back and he will curl his lip at any unneutered dog.
I'm not sure if that would be an issue as they are both a little older and were left unaltered. Until just recently one got neutered. Before that they were inseparable and were best buds and both were unaltered.
Also, the neutered male is fine with other unaltered males he meets at the dog park (which we go to frequently)

But I am not sure what it can be. That's why I am looking for suggestions

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Funnily enough the only dogs who tried to go after Titus were neutered!.
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A little known fact, is that females, even after the heat cycle is completed, still produce a certain hormone for an additional 52 - 53 days(this hormone is not produced if the female has been bred and the breeding takes). Although the scent they produce is not the same as the beginning stages of heat or what is produced during standing heat, it is similar. With some females it is stronger. Sometimes in these cases, even a newly altered male (who still has testosterone for awhile after surgery) will still exhibit "mastering" behavior.

Just because the manberries are removed does not mean that a male no longer can detect or even find interest in the "aroma" of a female. With the other male being intact, the other may still be vying for "ownership" of the female.
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Thanks Haus Mansfield.
Is there any effective way to get Jabroni to stop his grumpiness towards Snoopy? I could really tell that Snoopy is upset that his best bud does not want him close anymore.

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