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Old 02-21-2009, 05:56 AM   #31
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I'm glad Simba wasn't harmed, it's almost 2 years to the day that my Ailsa was killed by a staffie, all it took was one bite and she was gone. The dog in question got her on the top of her head and crushed her skull, she died instantly. The owner of the other dog offered to have her dog p.t.s. but I said no, the dog is now muzzled on all walks and the owner will never ever take another chance with it, I hate that dog with a vengeance and I will celebrate when it dies. The dogs I have now are not allowed near staffies as I just won't take a chance with them, just so you know though I do like staffies I think they are great wee dogs just not around mine.
Veq, it's because of other peoples dogs running up to Arran when he was a pup and jumping on him wanting to play that he's turned fear aggressive, if a dog walks up to him he is fine with it but a running one will get it with both barrels. He is getting better but it's taken him a long time to realize that not all of lead dogs want to jump on him. Again just to let you know he has never bitten another dog but he has come close to it.

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Old 02-21-2009, 07:34 AM   #32
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Veq When i am out for a walk Nipper is always on leash for Eg there are many owners in my park who still insist in having their dogs of leash (so I always air with caution) I get Nipper to sit and wait (if it's a dog I have never seen before) and always ask the approaching owner is your dog ok with other dogs?)
if the answer is yes then i still have Nipper in sit posistion then I let my dog sniff around and like wise the other dog does the same, Then the owner might say does your dog like to play? yes she does and then I let my girl off and the 2 have a good sream. I believe in good dog manners. If your Staffy is on leash can you drop the lead and be confident he won't run off?? Socialisation is extremly important but it has to be safe as well for all concerned
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Old 02-21-2009, 11:33 AM   #33
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Isn't macing peoples dogs very extreme? what if their dog was simply running over to give yours a sniff or to play with it?

I only let my Staff of in designated and fenced dog areas of our local parks but he sometimes trots over to sniff other dogs. Quite a few times though those dogs have then bitten him, only once has he snarled or snapped back and that was only because the dog bit him hard and cut his face. Sometimes if they dont growl at him he will try to play with them and bounce around and try to wrestle them with his paws. Most dogs love it and they will roll around and pin each other down. A few weeks ago there were about 5 staffs including mine and a friends up there and at least 4 other kinds of dogs and they were all playing and chasing each other and wrestling. [Quite often though, because he is a Staff, he will get bitten, not even growl back and people will start ranting about how Staffs are terrible dogs even when it is their dog that bit mine for no return and even when it was their dog who comes running over, its usually people with little dogs like Pomeranians or Jack Russels]

We even have a few stray cats that pop into our yard and he will run straight upto them, sniff them and if they dont run off, he will go to fetch one of his toys and takes it to them to try and make them play and will start bouncing around them with his toy in his mouth.

I would be pretty angry if my dog got maced for simply wanting to play.

I think its pretty harsh to even train your dog to be perfectly behaved with other dogs and to not jump around them and want to play. I know I wouldnt like it if I was never allowed any type of fun with another person.
No offense Veq, but that kind of behaviour can be totally unwanted by other dog owners too! Just today Adam was terrified by an off lead staff that 'just wanted to play'. He ran up to my two and despite the fact they were trying to hide under my legs he repeatedly play bowed and wrestled with his paws. This resulted in him pretty much punching my chihuahua in the ribs making him yelp in pain. The owner just stood there leaving me to keep pulling and shoving their dog away from mine. Their only response when their dog finally ran off was 'oh, he likes to play!!'
So, yes, if mace was available in this country I would totally mace a dog that 'only wanted to play'.

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*sigh* I think there should be a law invented that no dogs are to interact in public. Perhaps there would be fewer complaints about bad-mannered dogs, bad-mannered owners, stupidity and ignorance, dogs who are too rough, dogs who react incorrectly or immaturely, dogs who can't read body language or are socially inept, dogs who encourage others to strike...etc etc etc, ad infinitum.

We live in a culture of such anger and and intolerance and blind ignorant HUMAN aggression, why don't we just pass a lead law in the UK and ban all off-lead activity in open spaces - unless the pooches and the owners pass an entry exam.

I for one would feel much better - I daren't let mine off the lead at the moment, but if it was illegal anyway due to her DA then maybe I wouldn't feel so guilty and disappointed for her.

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No offense Veq, but that kind of behaviour can be totally unwanted by other dog owners too! Just today Adam was terrified by an off lead staff that 'just wanted to play'. He ran up to my two and despite the fact they were trying to hide under my legs he repeatedly play bowed and wrestled with his paws. This resulted in him pretty much punching my chihuahua in the ribs making him yelp in pain. The owner just stood there leaving me to keep pulling and shoving their dog away from mine. Their only response when their dog finally ran off was 'oh, he likes to play!!'
So, yes, if mace was available in this country I would totally mace a dog that 'only wanted to play'.
Sorry did i read this this right you would mace a dog that only wanted to play? That can't be right? If it was agressive dog then fine. Have I missed something?
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bigboy a staff can KILL her dog by accidently doing what he did... A punch in the ribs can be fatal for a Chiuaua in cmparasion in size. And my dogs dont like all other dogs as well, which means that I might mace another dog if the owner dont have control over it. A shep ran up to MIssy who was on a lead... Growled in her face and Missy threw herself towards her, which set Tasha off.. I wish I could have got that dog away quickly, now Thanks to being quick nothing happened, but it could as well HAVE happened.. and this was in an all lead dog park.. Its about safety and respect..

If you cant recall ur dog to a 100% it should not be offlead unless it is a controlled enviroment..

You should Not as an owner asume that just cause YoUR dog is nice, the others are/or will be.

ALways ASK if it IS ok before u let a dog approach another dog.

If another dog is showing discomfort remove ur dog even if the owner says it is ok..(some owners are knuckled heads, Tasha scared a little dog once and the owner was all: nah she;ll get over it, so I suggested a lead walk together instead of Tasha loose so the little dog could get to watch her instead which worked much better but if Tasha had got to bounce around etc she might have spooked the little dog more)

These are the basic rules that people need t engange in, but too few do...
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This morning Arran and Abby ( shelties ) were off lead with a dog ( lab) that they know and are fine with, a huge chocolate lab came out of nowhere and ran into them, it rolled them over a couple of times. Arran started to shake and Abby went to head for home, the dog still came at them, all it wanted to do was play but all it's done is put Arran back a few months. This afternoon a dog that started to run past him had him barking and snarling at it. I would certainly if it was available here use mace on a dog that was like the one this morning, why should my dogs have to suffer just because other dogs have no manners.

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If you cant recall ur dog to a 100% it should not be offlead unless it is a controlled enviroment..

You should Not as an owner asume that just cause YoUR dog is nice, the others are/or will be.

ALways ASK if it IS ok before u let a dog approach another dog.

If another dog is showing discomfort remove ur dog even if the owner says it is ok..(some owners are knuckled heads.
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What an interesting thread!
I'm split on this one because some places that we walk the same people and dogs are there each and every day, in that situation I'm quite happy to have my lot constantly off lead knowing that all the dogs are friendly and happy to play. Other places I'll put them back on the lead when we see other dogs because we don't know the temperament of the other dogs and then you get those dogs running over and being a pain which is annoying. If I see a dog on lead we either stay far enough away that I know they won't run over or they all go on the lead as we pass them, other people seem to think that it's okay for their dogs to harass other dogs that are on lead, what is that all about?

Our little Trinny is ball obsessed and if we're playing fetch she'll ignore other dogs which then seems to attract them to her even more, she'll tolerate so much and then she'll turn round and snap a warning, if they don't leave her alone after that she'll chase them off but doesn't actually bite which is actually quite funny to watch when it's a big dog she's chasing. The owners seem to think that is her fault and nothing to with the fact that their dog has been harrassing her for the last 5 minutes.

We don't have mace here (not legal anyway) so that's not an option. I have been in the situation of having to get a staffy off another dog (my own staffy, in our own home ) and we pinned both dogs down and kept them still until lifted her grip and pulled them apart which luckily only resulted in a few puncture wounds but could have been much worse. I wouldn't like to do that again, I think prevention is better than the cure and if mace was legal I would carry it and use it if I felt the need.

Luckily round here there doesn't seem to be a great deal of aggressive dogs, mainly just nuisance dogs that abandon their owners and follow us for miles sometimes, mainly black Labradors for some unknown reason.

I can rememember two instances of my dogs being attacked and they were only minor, one was a Lurcher that first attacked Trinny and had her hanging off it's neck and then it went for Milo and he floored it a few times but did no real damage, the owner wasn't even bothered but then he did have 5 dogs and was on a push bike, not sure how you can control 5 dogs and ride a bike.

The other was a mongrel that decided to mount Jayjay and started biting at his back taking chunks of fur out, Jayjay being the soft lad he is didn't retaliate just tried to move away but Milo came steaming in and sent him flying and then had a bit of handbags with him, it ended before anything serious happened as I pulled the other dog off by the scruff and our lot went on their merry way without me even saying a word, apparently that was started by Milo and was my fault!
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bigboy a staff can KILL her dog by accidently doing what he did... A punch in the ribs can be fatal for a Chiuaua in cmparasion in size. And my dogs dont like all other dogs as well, which means that I might mace another dog if the owner dont have control over it. A shep ran up to MIssy who was on a lead... Growled in her face and Missy threw herself towards her, which set Tasha off.. I wish I could have got that dog away quickly, now Thanks to being quick nothing happened, but it could as well HAVE happened.. and this was in an all lead dog park.. Its about safety and respect..

If you cant recall ur dog to a 100% it should not be offlead unless it is a controlled enviroment..

You should Not as an owner asume that just cause YoUR dog is nice, the others are/or will be.

ALways ASK if it IS ok before u let a dog approach another dog.

If another dog is showing discomfort remove ur dog even if the owner says it is ok..(some owners are knuckled heads, Tasha scared a little dog once and the owner was all: nah she;ll get over it, so I suggested a lead walk together instead of Tasha loose so the little dog could get to watch her instead which worked much better but if Tasha had got to bounce around etc she might have spooked the little dog more)

These are the basic rules that people need t engange in, but too few do...
I agree Monkey and always ask any new dog owners if their dog(s) either on leash/off leash coming towards me are ok, even then I air with caution and Nipper stays on leash till I read the signals from the other dog. Obviously if I know the other dogs then theres no problem and both will be allowed to play and run together whilist being supervised
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