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View Poll Results: Pitbulls in doggie day care?
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Old 02-25-2009, 10:28 AM   #41
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ahhh ljudman I was typing to cutters post not to yours..
about the grooming salon that had aproved her dog once and then not wanted it the second time cause they found out he breed.. not the german shepherd post you did..

and you cant tell the difference, you need to keep the stress level low or any dog that is fearful can bite if triggered hard enough. However more dogs are more inclined to bite when owner is there than when not, cause they have "back up".

I think also groomers have mussles for iffy cases, but Im not sure..

I dont know much about grooming to be honest..
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Old 02-25-2009, 12:48 PM   #42
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As for where I work (which is all I can attest to), we don't turn dogs away due to breed for grooming. And there actually is no 'pre-screening' for the grooming department, nor for Boarding. The groomer has previous experience working in a shelter and is accustomed to dogs not liking what she is doing. She works very well at reading their body language. Occassionally with a large or squirmy dog she will ask for help. The other groomer who helps from time to time is my manager who is a dog trainer. So, there is no need to pre-screen for that department. We might (though this has not happened yet) turn away a dog that behaved overly aggressively when grooming was done by us, like if it was utterly impossible. But that would be the dog, not the breed.

As far as daycare goes, Monkey, by what I know of your dogs it is unlikely they would be excepted into the daycare situation here. Without seeing them I wouldn't be certain, but from what I gathered about behavior pattern, they would be considered too risky. They would be unpredictable. This is also likely where your distrust of such situations comes from. I'm not saying your dogs are bad, but this is a line I have had to use from time to time with several potential customers: Not every dog is suited for daycare. I had to turn away a shuddering little poodle mix who freaked with Ash being across the room from her. Could you imagine if she were in with 10-20 other little dogs trying to paw or pounce at her? When I told the owner no, she went on about her dog having to be crated at home for hours on end... I then proceeded to tell her that subjecting her fearful dog to daycare would potentially push her to becoming a fear-biter which is very hard to un-do. At that point (given this is a young dog) I schooled her in doing some productive/proactive socializing first. Down the road we could reassess her dog and try it again.

On the opposite side we had a boxer come in who Ash RED FLAGGED big time! He told us this dog was too forward and not ready for daycare (of course his owners had just rescued him days before the assessment which meant he was unsettled about new things). So, we turned him away... they went to another daycare--he failed THAT screening. Then they foolishly took this same dog to a dog park where he got into a scuffle with another dog. Mmm hmm! Can we say--the signs were right THERE? That happened over the course of a few days.

Careful screening of daycare dogs is essential. Boarding dogs: we take anything. We even have kennel fearful dogs that we work with to get to more comfortable with the process. But these do not mix with other dogs! Just skilled handlers.
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I think the owner bears the responsibilty in determining if their dog will be safe at the groomer. If your dog is extremely fearful of baths then I truly don't believe it is fair to put your dog NOR the groomer in that situation. Groomers are (or at least should be) very careful when handling a new canine client, should ask the owner questions on temperament and should be able to read body language.
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Draco I know my dogs wouldnt be approved, that is no doubt about it..
I was talking if Tasha had Missys fuse with her own polite behavior.. *lol*

Prblem that I can see is that many daycares are run by very ignorarnt owners and staff... I saw one recently, the dogs attacked one dog, he ran his daycare like cesar millan go figure.. I know another one in Sweden and that is just a mattter of time, and old school mate of mine was braging on how they ran theirs like cesar did too. I kinda loath her so I didnt even bother.. but she told me about all these scuffles they had and how she took control over them like he did and she was soooo good.. Right...

Remember the link I showed to the daycare where u only saw the dogs and barely any people interacting with them!? that was scary as well..

Too many bad daycares out there period, I think Id be calmer about it if I knew everyone was run by a person like u Draco but its more often not than is..
and then if something happens and it's a pitbull media will have a feast..

well actually u might approve Missy, she's no worse than the labby missiles...
she has no possession aggression, she just needs to get used to the suroundings then she's bomb proof. She takes a Bone to play tug with, and shares it happily, then when the other dog gets control over it and dont wanna share, she dont understand what happened, poor Missy...
Its just me that feels that is she behaves like that (like the labby missiles does) she should be handled with care around other dogs so she dont make them uncomfortable with being a happy go lucky bouncy bully...
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When I worked in a grooming salon, Pitbulls were my top 4 favorite breeds to get it. Never had a mean one, and I was there for 3 years. They were just big cuddlebugs =].

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This is a really old thread. But I would say "no" to APBT being in doggie day cares-just as I think they (and any other breed that is genetically dog aggressive) shouldn't go to dog parks.

There are some APBT that won't be dog aggressive-but the majority are, since it's in their genetics. So I think they shouldn't be in places where there will be other dogs off leash. Where they will mingle with strange dogs/ a lot of dogs.

Same goes for other dogs that are genetically dog aggressive-it just isn't a risk I would take.

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This is a really old thread. But I would say "no" to APBT being in doggie day cares-just as I think they (and any other breed that is genetically dog aggressive) shouldn't go to dog parks.

There are some APBT that won't be dog aggressive-but the majority are, since it's in their genetics. So I think they shouldn't be in places where there will be other dogs off leash. Where they will mingle with strange dogs/ a lot of dogs.

Same goes for other dogs that are genetically dog aggressive-it just isn't a risk I would take.
Ama you could say the same about Staffy Bull Terriers in the past they were bred for fighting purposes but with good breeding lines this is greatly reduced You only have to look at Nipper she is so sweet and gentle I atribute this to good breeding and proper socialisation as puppy @ 12 weeks old I know this has really helped her grow up to be a great dog
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I don't think a general rule can be made about ANY dog or breed.
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I think you have hit the nail on the head techie! Amen to that
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Ama you could say the same about Staffy Bull Terriers in the past they were bred for fighting purposes but with good breeding lines this is greatly reduced You only have to look at Nipper she is so sweet and gentle I atribute this to good breeding and proper socialisation as puppy @ 12 weeks old I know this has really helped her grow up to be a great dog
As I said, this breed has been bred for dog aggression it, so have a few other breeds. It is in their genetics-It doesn't mean All of this breed will have dog aggression-but it's always there -It would take a long, long time to breed dog aggression out of this breed and dog aggression was one of those traits that was desired for this breed. As it is now- Usually dogs that don't have it, come from bad breeding.

I know multiple APBT that live in multi dog households or are socialized daily with other dogs-but the owners still know what is in their dogs genetics and would never take them to a dog park or to doggy day care. Because even a dog that has never shown dog aggression in the past could suddenly show it(I've read about that happening a lot). These owners take pre-caution.

The dogs who do have regular-high dog aggression from this breed are sweet and gentle too in every other situation-they just have dog aggression and are reactive to other dogs.

Dog aggression doesn't mean the dog is evil, needs to be contained 24/7, shouldn't see the light of day. It just means they're dog aggressive and that should be kept in mind with any owner. They should recognize and accept it and then learn how to control/handle a dog with dog aggression. It doesn't make them any less of a companion. Having dog aggression doesn't mean the dog are unstable/shouldn't be trusted with humans-In fact APBT shouldn't show any human aggression.

I like APBT breed, me stating the above doesn't mean I don't but I think some people trying to 'speak up' for the breed turn a blind eye to this one part of the breed, saying it can be changed with training. Which isn't true. You can't train out genetics-you can recognize it, control it and prevent anything from happening by knowing your dog, it's breeds history/genetics.

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