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View Poll Results: Pitbulls in doggie day care?
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Old 02-22-2009, 12:27 AM   #21
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But if the dog is friendly there should be no reason for attack unless provoked...and if he's provoked there's a reason for it. I'm not saying that dogs shouldn't be put down if they attack the person, but there's always another story behind the attack that out generally don't hear, I'm convinced on that.
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Old 02-22-2009, 12:34 AM   #22
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Pure and simple, black and white: I DO NOT judge any breed by what it is. I assess the individual animal before me. We have had full Pit bulls board with us, and they have been fine... I have had mini mutts express kennel aggression strong enough that the other girls will not go near their door! We have taken police dogs in for boarding and such, granted, not all of these are placed into the play sessions with other dogs, but the point is they are assessed and handled in accordance with their behavior. I promise you, Labs (the #1 breed in America) have left more marks on the workers here than the bullies have. If a Lab went ballistic, they are big enough to inflict some REAL damage, even a mini mutt ankle biter could take out chunk if it wanted! If it has teeth, it can bite. The risk is the same, regardless of breed.
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Old 02-22-2009, 12:36 AM   #23
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Pit bulls jaws do not lock, it is a common myth. They are intensive dog, and not really likely to let go if they don't want to. That said - my Macey has locked on the same as a Pit - and she isn't one. I agree to analyze each breed on their own.
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Old 02-22-2009, 12:48 AM   #24
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Draco if the golden bites, nothing will happen, if the boxer does there might be a bit more noise about it.. if the pitbull does, not only is chances that he will make bigger damage, but the media is likely to be all over it..
Really? Study after study has shown that pits do not have any more bite strength than another dog of similar size and muscle definition. If the dog is driven, and bites, then it will be more difficult to break up, and will cause more damage.

Bite strength is directly related to the size of the body and the size of the head. Nothing more.
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Old 02-22-2009, 12:57 AM   #25
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That I know 08, but they are very quick, and can get quite a few really good bites in on a short time and it still wont stop the media from having a feast on it...

Ill answer the rest tomorrow cause sick monkey is heading to bed..
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Lots of dogs are fast, Monkey. Not just Pitties. And we shouldn't let the media win here and hold down a breed by feeding a false reputation and spreading the lock-jaw myth further.

Doggy daycares need to be run responsibly, by trained people, with sound methods and good pre-screening. The bad press when something happens should focus on not the breed of dog that it happened with, but how the place was run and who was involved. It should NEVER be one person in with a group of large dogs. There should always be two on hand at the least. Which is why you will find most places will not run 5 dogs at a time as financially it's not going to work. And while it's not all about the money, that has to factor at least a bit.
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A trainer I had years ago was telling me about the only time she got bit. It was a German Shepherd who gave her a warning before it bit (it squinted it's eyes), which she chose to ignore. It turned on her and grabbed her forearm, and it "locked on" - or really just wouldn't let go. She said she stood still and gently talked to the dog till it came back into it's mind, so to speak, and let her go.

She told me that when some dogs attack, they go into a part of their brain where they just do not respond to commands. It's like they can't hear. I see this all the time in agility dogs. We call it reaching "agility mass." It's where the dog has reached a state of excitement (be it aggressive or just drive) where it is unable to respond to commands anymore. You have to wait it out till it calms down and can again respond.

I think this is where the "lock jaw" myth comes from. And it's obviously not just pits that will get into a part of their brain from over excitement where they just stall. If that's in mid bite, then that's where they will stay until they can reenter the part of their brain where they can again respond to their environment.

My trainer said if she had reacted emotionally and pulled her arm back, it would have ripped the skin off of her arm. Yikes!

I remember Aslan entering "agility mass" once. We were at a trial, and he jumped up on the pause table. He was supposed to down, but he had entered "agility mass" and wasn't responding to commands. His eyes were literally bouncing back and forth rapidly and at different angles. He just wasn't home. It was one of the oddest things I've seen a dog do, but it is not uncommon in high drive dogs. After a few moments, he eyes refocused and we were able to continue.
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That's an excellent explanation, Agility! And it goes into one of the keys of running doggy daycare: energy control! When in the midst of the crowd of playing dogs it is very important to watch the arousal level. Energy may have many forms, but it is still energy, and the end result is the same. They loose their marbles for a moment. This can occur between dogs that are wrestling, running together, or just one pestering another for too long. THIS is where the skills of observing the energy arousal is so critical: breaking the pair apart BEFORE they get lost in the moment. Fortunately, it does not happen quickly in an average well-adjusted dog (the kinds that are welcome in doggy daycare), the ramping up takes time, and if monitored one can step in and proactively calm them down by walking it out, having them sit and listen to you for a moment... or even remove them from the group and let them cool down.

Bully breeds (speaking of those not used in fighting and such, I'm referring to well-adjusted ones) often have long fuses. Thus, if one is effectively controlling the playgroup, their presence will make no true difference as ALL dogs energy levels should be watched and controlled regardless of breed. It all boils down to it being run properly and issues being defused before there is a fight, not so much what breeds are involved. If a dog (any dog) gets aroused to the point where he's not responding to commands he will be dangerous. Individual dogs that have short fuses to that point should not be in that situation. But, it is not a breed... it is the dog.
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Alright. I really hope my responce makes sense. Haha.


I have two Pit Bulls. One female weighing 50 pounds. She is 2 years old and one of the best behaving dogs I have came in contact with, seriously. She's been jumped on by Lady twice and a husky dog. Both time, she never fought back. She's a total wimp. But by no means does this mean she will continue to be like this. One day, a dog may jump on her and she may not be the one with bite marks if you know what I mean. I see any dog could do this, it's just with a Bully breed, they are very very strong dogs and can cause seriously injury.
My male Pit, well, no.. I wouldn't trust him around any other dog than my own and sometimes I can tell by him seeing another dog, he wants to meet and make friends. Sometimes, by watching his body, I can tell it's not a good idea to even let him near that dog.

I think it's just on the individual "Pittie".
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Old 02-22-2009, 07:46 PM   #30
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When we were boarding dogs and doing day care we didn't judge any dog by it's breed, we assessed each dog individually before accepting or rejecting them. I think, from memory, we only ever had one staff cross and one rottie so to me it seems that the owners are more reluctant than anything.
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