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Old 08-06-2012, 09:34 PM   #1
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Default How much 'satin balls' for 10lbs dog?

How much (in weight) satin balls should I feed a small, less than 10 lbs, 3 year old dog? She is not REALLY thin but I can feel the spine bones in the round curve of her back. I have tried to see if her ribs pertrude but she has sort of scruffy hair and I cannot determine if her ribs show.


She's a small eater. There are days that she doesn't even make it to 1/4 C of the food that she's supposed (according to the bag) to eat 3/4 to 1 Cup of. I have tried about every trick in my book but I haven't had any luck.


We were her foster family but a week or so ago, after 3 or 4 weeks we didn't want to see her go so we adopted her. I would love to have her gain just a little bit, like 1/2, 3/4 lbs but I have no idea how much weight in satin balls I should give her, and still have her eat some of her regular food, as I understand the satin balls are not supposed to take the place of the regular food.


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How much (in weight) satin balls should I feed a small, less than 10 lbs, 3 year old dog?
That depends on a number of factors - breed or likely breed mix, activity level, lifestage, lifestyle, whether she is spayed or not...a number of things. What breed is she, or what breed mix do you think is likely? Can you post some from the side and some of her standing from directly overhead, looking down on her back?
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...She is not REALLY thin but I can feel the spine bones in the round curve of her back. I have tried to see if her ribs pertrude but she has sort of scruffy hair and I cannot determine if her ribs show.
If you can feel a few bones from mid-back through the round toward the tail, that can be an indicator of normal, healthy weight in some breeds. Don't assume that she is unhealthily thin, from that. Now, if you can feel individual vertebrae all along her spine, from the shoulders on back, then that would be thin or even emaciated. It really does depend on the breed. In general, in the US and UK, we tend to overfeed our dogs.

Again, depending on the breed, seeing a few ribs is an indication of normal, good weight. The best way to evaluate the ribs, though, is with your finger tips. With the dog standing in front of you, facing away from you, draw your fingers across her ribs on both sides, from the forelegs back to the trailing edge of her ribcage. Then, run your fingers forward over the ribcage, against the grain of the fur. You should be able to feel the ribs, but moreso in some breeds than in others. Some should have a discernable fat layer, others like some of the hounds should have almost no fat layer and you should be able to feel all of the ribs, and see the last 3-5, easily. So, it will depend on the breed. For many breeds, being able to see a suggestion of the last 3-5 ribs is an indicator of good weight.
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...She's a small eater. There are days that she doesn't even make it to 1/4 C of the food that she's supposed (according to the bag) to eat 3/4 to 1 Cup of. I have tried about every trick in my book but I haven't had any luck.
The chart on the Blue Buffalo bag is a good approximation, but every dog is different and you have to adjust the recommendations to your dog's habits and metabolism. With a little more information, I can tell you how many Calories she needs to gain the amount of wait you want to put on her, and how much she needs to eat to maintain her weight at a given level, within a small margin. There are also some enticements you might try. We can talk about those in more detail, later.
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...I would love to have her gain just a little bit, like 1/2, 3/4 lbs but I have no idea how much weight in satin balls I should give her, and still have her eat some of her regular food, as I understand the satin balls are not supposed to take the place of the regular food.
How much in satin balls would depend on the answers to some of my questions. She may not actually need satinballs, but we'll see.
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Thank you for your extensive answer, and for the welcoming words!

At first I wrote a much longer post with all that information you are asking for, but when I wanted to post it, it disappeared, and I wrote my 2nd, shorter version.

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That depends on a number of factors - breed or likely breed mix, activity level, lifestage, lifestyle, whether she is spayed or not...a number of things. What breed is she, or what breed mix do you think is likely? Can you post some from the side and some of her standing from directly overhead, looking down on her back?
She's JR x ? mix, my guess the ? being either a Yorkie or an other small breed soft long haired breed, Malthese perhaps.
App. 3 years old.
We walk her 2 times on a good speed for about 45 minutes a day, we play with her in the house where she runs, jumps, races up stair case, and she plays with her foster brother long and furiously.
She was spayed before she came to us from the shelter.
Activity level medium to medium high.



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If you can feel a few bones from mid-back through the round toward the tail, that can be an indicator of normal, healthy weight in some breeds. Don't assume that she is unhealthily thin, from that. Now, if you can feel individual vertebrae all along her spine, from the shoulders on back, then that would be thin or even emaciated. It really does depend on the breed. In general, in the US and UK, we tend to overfeed our dogs.
The vertebraes I can feel go from about a tad past the middle of her spine towards her tail, but not ALL the way to her TAIL. It's the part of the spine that is called the 'roach' in French Bulldogs.

I do not feel any pertruding ribs when running my fingers along her side, one direction or the other. I cannot see any ribs through her fur.

She weighs a tad under 10 lbs.

I've tried: soft dogfood (the plastic tubs) with the juice over the kibbles, and let it soak a while.

A little grated cheese.

Canned salmon with juice.

Canned chicken with juice.

Haven't tried but thought about it, puppy food

I used to feed my dogs (French Bulldogs) once a day once they were adults.

I started to feed Missy three times a day, then twice, but haven't gone to once because I get worried when she doesn't or hardly eats. So I have now gone to the 'there-is-always-food-in-the-bowl' way. She does eat, a little bit, at many different times. I do not believe this is the best way, but then, I now am not sure anymore IF there is a 'best way'.

I have one pic that is not quite from right above her, and I will make one but this is also to see if this works.
I'll give it one try and if this doesn't work, I will have to make myself familiair on how to add pictures with these posts.

Thank you so much for your help!


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FosterMom, welcome to the forum!

Thank you so much for your kind words!!!

We have been without dogs for a little over 4 years (I can tell you to the day how long precisely) and we now are fostering dogs that come from high kill shelters in NYC. "Missy" was our first foster child and we both fell in love with her and decided she ain't going nowhere.

We do have an other foster boy and he may have an adopter waiting. VERY hard to let him go but our intention was saving dogs on death rows.

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...She's JR x ? mix, my guess the ? being either a Yorkie or an other small breed soft long haired breed, Malthese perhaps.
App. 3 years old.
We walk her 2 times on a good speed for about 45 minutes a day, we play with her in the house where she runs, jumps, races up stair case, and she plays with her foster brother long and furiously.
She was spayed before she came to us from the shelter.
Activity level medium to medium high.
Given all that, I'd consider her energy requirement to be about average: adult, small, active breeds with a relatively high metabolism, active exercise, but spayed. Her energy requirement to maintain 10 lbs would be about 340 kcals/day from all sources (regular food and treats).

I thought you were feeding Blue Buffalo, but it must have been stuck in my head from the prior thread I was answering. What are you feeding her?
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The vertebraes I can feel go from about a tad past the middle of her spine towards her tail, but not ALL the way to her TAIL. It's the part of the spine that is called the 'roach' in French Bulldogs...I do not feel any pertruding ribs when running my fingers along her side, one direction or the other. I cannot see any ribs through her fur.
This sounds like good weight. Her pic looks good, but the overhead shot would be helpful, when you can get it loaded. Looking at her hips, tuck, and chest, and your description of her ribs, she seems to be in good, healthy weight. Small dogs easily go overweight and it is very hard on them. Particularly in small dogs, their longevity increases if they are at a healthy weight, or even very slightly underweight. If you feed her at 340 kcals/day, she will remain about where she is or be very slightly heavier than she is, now.
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She weighs a tad under 10 lbs.
I'm assuming a 'tad' is 9-something for calculations.
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I've tried: ...
What specific kibble are you feeding, and what specific soft foods?
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This may be something to consider, though I'd be a little concerned about the higher calcium and phosphorus content over time. California Naturals Puppy might be one to think about.
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I used to feed my dogs (French Bulldogs) once a day once they were adults.

I started to feed Missy three times a day, then twice, but haven't gone to once because I get worried when she doesn't or hardly eats. So I have now gone to the 'there-is-always-food-in-the-bowl' way. She does eat, a little bit, at many different times. I do not believe this is the best way, but then, I now am not sure anymore IF there is a 'best way'.
There's nothing wrong with free feeding, if the dog self-regulates well. This isn't a problem, right now. What I would suggest is a measured free-feeding, though, measuring out the 340 kcals worth of food, and then measuring how much remains before you refill the bowl, so you know how much she is eating. The only problem with free-feeding is that you don't know how much they are taking in. Measured free-feeding is not an option if there are other dogs eating from the same bowl.

You need to be able to monitor her feeding, separately.
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FosterMom, Missy is so cute! There's nothing wrong with free feeding. Whatever works for your dog. I used to feed my dogs once a day, but my vet told me I should feed them twice a day. Some small breeds are prone to low blood sugar, and need to be fed more than once a day. He said that because there is so much time in between feedings, dogs will tend to gulp their food. So now I feed mine twice a day. I sure hope we see some more pictures soon. She is adorable!

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