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Unread 10-09-2007, 06:51 PM   #1
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Ok, I just came from a pet botique, the kind that sells top quality dog food, merik, evo, etc. I picked up some chicken jerkey treats, not even giving a second thought to checking were they are made. I get home and of course made in china. Went to website and in has link to lab reports, called company said the place in China is run by Americans - actually the VP's brother. So do I trust it & the lab reports?


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Lab Results Confirm NO Pesticides, Melamine, Bacteria, Contaminants in DOGSWELL Treats

9/18/07 - We have thoroughly tested our treats by an independent, third-party U.S. laboratory that uses APPMA- and FDA-approved methodology and have found NO Pesticides, NO Melamine, NO Bacteria and NO Contaminants. Please click here to see test results on our products. For more information please feel free to contact us via email at [email protected], our toll-free number 888.559.8833, or visit our FAQ page.


You may have to click on link and go to box w/above info and click on "here".
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Ok, I just came from a pet botique, the kind that sells top quality dog food, merik, evo, etc. I picked up some chicken jerkey treats, not even giving a second thought to checking were they are made. I get home and of course made in china. Went to website and in has link to lab reports, called company said the place in China is run by Americans - actually the VP's brother. So do I trust it & the lab reports?


http://www.dogswell.com/

Lab Results Confirm NO Pesticides, Melamine, Bacteria, Contaminants in DOGSWELL Treats

9/18/07 - We have thoroughly tested our treats by an independent, third-party U.S. laboratory that uses APPMA- and FDA-approved methodology and have found NO Pesticides, NO Melamine, NO Bacteria and NO Contaminants. Please click here to see test results on our products. For more information please feel free to contact us via email at [email protected], our toll-free number 888.559.8833, or visit our FAQ page.


You may have to click on link and go to box w/above info and click on "here".
All I can say is if they're posting falsified reports on their website they're risking one heck of a huge class action lawsuit if it turned out to be untrue!

Just a matter of principle though I wouldn't be purchasing anything made in China right now! A boycott of China made products is the best way to insure that some reliable controls are finally set into action.
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No a thousand times, no.
lovingpaws I RUN a laboratory. ALL the TIME I get samples that customers send me of things that have been made in China. They come with lab reports. I repeat the tests in my lab and find out that the lab reports that come with the Chinese product are incorrect. And because these lab reports come from reputable labs I can tell you how they do it. the Chinese manufacturer buys a product that they know is good and they send THAT to the lab to test. So the lab is not doing bad work and they are not lying, they are being lied to by the Chinese manufacturer.
I see this every day and have been seeing it for the past five years. Take those treats and bury them where no one can eat them. Or if you want to spend a few hundred $, get them analyzed yourself. "
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I am all for not buying anything made in China. I love shopping on the home networks, when I get my products they have right on the front of box: Made in China. They are trying to kill us off I think. It is terrible what they are doing to dog food, now kids toys.
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No a thousand times, no.
lovingpaws I RUN a laboratory. ALL the TIME I get samples that customers send me of things that have been made in China. They come with lab reports. I repeat the tests in my lab and find out that the lab reports that come with the Chinese product are incorrect. And because these lab reports come from reputable labs I can tell you how they do it. the Chinese manufacturer buys a product that they know is good and they send THAT to the lab to test. So the lab is not doing bad work and they are not lying, they are being lied to by the Chinese manufacturer.
I see this every day and have been seeing it for the past five years. Take those treats and bury them where no one can eat them. Or if you want to spend a few hundred $, get them analyzed yourself. "
Priceless information skunkstripe! That's something that wouldn't even have crossed my mind, even though I consider myself somewhat of a sceptic. It makes perfect sense in today's world of greed and dishonesty though!
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Priceless information skunkstripe! That's something that wouldn't even have crossed my mind, even though I consider myself somewhat of a sceptic. It makes perfect sense in today's world of greed and dishonesty though!
I couldn't believe it myself the first few times I was confronted with it. That was why I sent samples out to yet OTHER labs for another opinion!

But it is even worse than that. I see the worst of the worst in terms of what goes on.
Most often the scenario is this:
Naive American entrepeneur learns that outsourcing to China will save costs and improve profit margin. Chinese plant manager smiles sweetly and tells American customer / manger that anything is possible, his wish is their command. Chines plant manager and/or factory workers have no concept of quality control-they do whatever they need to do to get the product out and make their customer happy. Customer does not check or test, but trusts Chinese plant manager. It is only after something 'hits the fan' that the American realizes that they have a problem. You can't sue the Chinese supplier (ummm-which court? ) so they are stuck. More often than not this results in the American spending a lot of time in China trying to fix the problem. And I have seen many many cases where some wanna-be smart American has ruefully returned to an American supplier that they THOUGHT was mroe expensive- AFTER they realized that the damage done by selling trashy products was far more costly than the 'higher price' of workers with a western ethic for quality.
This is to say nothing of the Chinese knockoffs of western products. Again, American purchasing divisions who thought they were being oh-so-clever in setting up Chines factories soon found cheap and shoddy imitations of their own products hitting the market. Why? The Chinese factories had everything they needed to make the knockoffs, down to the boxes and labels!
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Problem with lab reports is like mentioned above they are only taken from a handful of samples (if they didn't just test 1 item) and do not represent exactly what is in the bag you bought. 2nd problem is that you can't test for everything. Did they test for melamine before this? No. They tested for things they knew might be in the products. There are so many compounds out there and most tests only cover a small percentage of common ones.

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I got some Chicken treats

( Chicken Breast Nibbles http://www.pet-shop.net/html/cluck.html ) that they sell in Petsmart for about $21 a jar, and a friend of mine bought me the treats from his vet for around $17 a jar ( 1 pound). I am finishing the jar and not buying anymore. The "made in china" label is a deal killer for me...... Too much bad stuff coming from that country.....
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Wow, first kick myself for assuming that the Healthy products store would carry stuff made from China, for not reading/looking for where it's made.

Skunk, that's some scary info and priceless.

Guess I need to write it out 100 times,
Do not buy food products from China.
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I was upset that I bought just such a package of chicken tenders about a month ago from a place that only sells the very best foods. Into the trash they went (another $10 down the drain).
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