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Old 07-05-2011, 05:32 AM   #21
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Someone I have trained with has a 2yo mini poodle, in his first season he consistently won at every show she entered him into and has now got to Grade 7 - that's Champ level, in his first year competing. She also runs Pointers and Border collies, but this poodle is astounding, his drive is high but that with the level headedness he has for a youngster are just mind boggling, he is a dog in a million. Her husband's just bought another from the same line, having seen this dog live up to its Agility pedigree lines (he came from working poodle stock with many titles) but also with these great temperaments. I've never been a poodle fan but this one could convert me.

Having seen this pup from a youngster go to this it's made me think that one day *if* I ever bought a dog specifically for one purpose i'd do what was done here and look for that proof of character in its genetics and breeding.

It's unlikely i'll ever buy though - I prefer to rescue. But in your case, then I agree that to get the homes you want for your pups, people will need to know that they come from a line of great dogs in regards to ability, health and temperament.
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I was thinking more about this and I thought to myself... BC's have been absolutely wonderful all around working dogs for years. Now, people are starting to mix them and breed for coloring or show ring and are starting to ruin them. I say, Leave well enough alone. BCs aren't for a good chunk of people anyways. I've just seen too many neurotic ones coming through from less than great breeders. (NOT to imply anything about anyone!) But they are a lifestyle type dog, Just like Agility state about dogs being her? (Sorry) lifestyle.

I had a gentlemen get one as a companion that was out from the shelter didn't want to compete in anything, Didn't even know agility existed. So it just continued my idea of if you want Agility homes, get in the ring


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I'm a "her" Louuie. Good post.
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It's unlikely i'll ever buy though - I prefer to rescue. But in your case, then I agree that to get the homes you want for your pups, people will need to know that they come from a line of great dogs in regards to ability, health and temperament.
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When your dogs are consistently out "smokin" the purebred dogs, you may have more interest. Until then, people probably won't be beating a path to your door for performance prospects. The thing about the CH border collies I've met, is that they tend (in general) to be lower drive and built quite differently than working bred border collies. And if I wanted a BC to do sports with, I'd be looking at working lines, not less drivey show lines, watered down further by introducing a completely different type (physically and mentally) of breed. In your first post you admitted that you were having a difficult time breaking into the agility dog market, though later that story changed a bit. The above is probably why. It just really doesn't sound like what most serious performance people would be looking for in a dog.

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I think that you guys are right about getting buyers once my dogs are consistantly in the show ring. Thanks.

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Right now at most USDAA trials here in the PNW, 22" Championship run order is like this:

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Border Collie

Border Collie

Border Collie

Border Collie

Border Collie

Border Collie

Border Collie

Border Collie

Border Collie

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Border Collie

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Border Collie

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Makes it easy to spot my run on the sheet.

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When your dogs are consistently out "smokin" the purebred dogs, you may have more interest. Until then, people probably won't be beating a path to your door for performance prospects. The thing about the CH border collies I've met, is that they tend (in general) to be lower drive and built quite differently than working bred border collies. And if I wanted a BC to do sports with, I'd be looking at working lines, not less drivey show lines, watered down further by introducing a completely different type (physically and mentally) of breed. In your first post you admitted that you were having a difficult time breaking into the agility dog market, though later that story changed a bit. The above is probably why. It just really doesn't sound like what most serious performance people would be looking for in a dog.
Conformation BCs are often given the "slur" (by other BC owners) of "Barbie Border Collies." While I've seen a few nice Barbies working in agility, it's true the working lines seem to rule.

An ust sayin' I like both types of BCs.
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